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buying a new desktop for eve,suggestions please

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Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#41 - 2014-12-20 13:31:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol Project
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Bateau Erinys wrote:
hi mac is really suck at gaming especially for EVE... and I can not boot camp it because of some reasons. So... I'm thinking about buying a desktop only for playing eve, with that being said, you intelligent internet community have any suggestion? budget is up to $500. I appreciate any link or suggestion! fly safe


$500 is not going to buy you anything worth the money, you'd be cutting corners on everything and make your life a living hell. If you really need to get something done with $500, here's a suggestion http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xHJfRB with the option of using a normal hard drive instead of the SSD, but it's slow as hell and 4 clients should fit onto that SSD with the Windows installation.

You want to be looking at spending more to get the following upgrades:
Pentium to i5, about +$70
Proper motherboard, about +$40
Better CPU cooler, +$30
Higher quality power supply, +$40
Mass storage and/or better SSD, +$90/+$50
A case which is of some quality with some cooling fans, +$80

So, you'd be looking at spending at least $800 to get a solid system and this price does not include a Windows license.

Why would anyone need more than one client installed? (obviously excluding Sisi here)

For "ease of logging in without having to switch accountname" ?

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2014-12-20 14:02:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
This is what I use. I have added a sound card and 7.1 surround sound system since building that but otherwise, it runs EVE beautifully, and quickly (no SSD required) on full settings with one client on dual monitor at 3840x1080 (1920x1080 per monitor). Not sure about two clients, don't multibox myself, but just running EVE and an external browser it it never hits 50% CPU usage so it's definitely got room to breathe.

For the record, this machine is also currently running Elite: Dangerous smoothly on its highest settings, amongst many other new releases including the latest Borderlands and Civilisation games. It's not CPU that matters as much as RAM and graphics when you're gaming. Hell, I even record a lot of my gaming using Action! and get no framerate loss on gigabyte-sized MP4 files while playing EVE or Elite, either one still on full settings.

Anyway, as you can see on the image linked above, the initial build cost AUD$854, including delivery, not including the cost of a second monitor (ASUS 24" to go with my 32") and an OEM copy of Win7 Home Professional, both of which were cheap enough to keep the total cost under $1K.

NOTE: That build does not include a wireless card because PC gaming should be done on a LAN for best quality online gaming performance, and if you don't do anything with CDs/DVDs, you may find you don't need a DVD drive either.

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Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
#43 - 2014-12-20 14:59:59 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
... It's not CPU that matters as much as RAM and graphics when you're gaming...

And yet you only have 2x 4GB CL10 RAM :o Time to replace these with 4x 4GB CL9 ones

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2014-12-20 15:32:31 UTC
Grauth Thorner wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
... It's not CPU that matters as much as RAM and graphics when you're gaming...

And yet you only have 2x 4GB CL10 RAM :o Time to replace these with 4x 4GB CL9 ones


Why would I do that if what I have works just fine? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#45 - 2014-12-20 15:35:21 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Grauth Thorner wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
... It's not CPU that matters as much as RAM and graphics when you're gaming...

And yet you only have 2x 4GB CL10 RAM :o Time to replace these with 4x 4GB CL9 ones


Why would I do that if what I have works just fine? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Because next gen consoles are using 8 cores to run games 30fps @ 768 resolution omg...
Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
#46 - 2014-12-20 16:00:33 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Grauth Thorner wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
... It's not CPU that matters as much as RAM and graphics when you're gaming...

And yet you only have 2x 4GB CL10 RAM :o Time to replace these with 4x 4GB CL9 ones


Why would I do that if what I have works just fine? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Fixing != replacing.. Otherwise I would still be walking around with my Nokia 3210. I just think it's rather strange that your setup doesn't reflect your statement. Next to that I also don't think it's smart using an i3 for running 3 or 4 instances of the game simultaneously (talking about the OP here, not you).

View real-time damage statistics in-game

>EVE Live DPS Graph application forum thread

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Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
#47 - 2014-12-20 16:08:12 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Grauth Thorner wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
... It's not CPU that matters as much as RAM and graphics when you're gaming...

And yet you only have 2x 4GB CL10 RAM :o Time to replace these with 4x 4GB CL9 ones


Why would I do that if what I have works just fine? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Because next gen consoles are using 8 cores to run games 30fps @ 768 resolution omg...

I think that's mainly because increasing resolution raises the bar exponentially when it comes to pressurizing the GPU. So instead they chose to create a whole different ambiance by including more particles and increasing texture quality, making the game feel more alive. There are however some games that run on 1080p on PS4 and/or Xbox One. Notice the 'I think' at the beginning of the post.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2014-12-20 16:20:07 UTC
Grauth Thorner wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Grauth Thorner wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
... It's not CPU that matters as much as RAM and graphics when you're gaming...

And yet you only have 2x 4GB CL10 RAM :o Time to replace these with 4x 4GB CL9 ones


Why would I do that if what I have works just fine? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Fixing != replacing.. Otherwise I would still be walking around with my Nokia 3210. I just think it's rather strange that your setup doesn't reflect your statement. Next to that I also don't think it's smart using an i3 for running 3 or 4 instances of the game simultaneously (talking about the OP here, not you).


Rationalise to me how "perfectly functional and does the job as intended if not better" translates, in your mind, to "needs to be replaced". Because I would genuinely love to hear that.

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2014-12-20 16:21:11 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Grauth Thorner wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
... It's not CPU that matters as much as RAM and graphics when you're gaming...

And yet you only have 2x 4GB CL10 RAM :o Time to replace these with 4x 4GB CL9 ones


Why would I do that if what I have works just fine? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Because next gen consoles are using 8 cores to run games 30fps @ 768 resolution omg...


Which I personally find quite cute considering mine runs everything at 60fps (or better) at full 1080p.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
#50 - 2014-12-20 16:29:30 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Grauth Thorner wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Grauth Thorner wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
... It's not CPU that matters as much as RAM and graphics when you're gaming...

And yet you only have 2x 4GB CL10 RAM :o Time to replace these with 4x 4GB CL9 ones


Why would I do that if what I have works just fine? If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Fixing != replacing.. Otherwise I would still be walking around with my Nokia 3210. I just think it's rather strange that your setup doesn't reflect your statement. Next to that I also don't think it's smart using an i3 for running 3 or 4 instances of the game simultaneously (talking about the OP here, not you).


Rationalise to me how "perfectly functional and does the job as intended if not better" translates, in your mind, to "needs to be replaced". Because I would genuinely love to hear that.

I'm talking pre-bought. Forget the replace it now part, if I were in your shoes and valued RAM so much (which I actually do), I would've at least bought CL9 DDR3 instead of CL10 and preferably even 4 cards instead of 2 (which I actually have).

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>EVE Live DPS Graph application forum thread

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2014-12-20 16:50:10 UTC
It is not that simple. Fast CL10 ends up with less latency than a slower CL9.

for example:

CL9/2133 versus C10/2400

9 / (2133/2) = 8.4ns latency
10 / (2400/2) = 8.3ns latency

the 2400 has lower latency even though it is CL10
Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
#52 - 2014-12-20 17:34:10 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
It is not that simple. Fast CL10 ends up with less latency than a slower CL9.

for example:

CL9/2133 versus C10/2400

9 / (2133/2) = 8.4ns latency
10 / (2400/2) = 8.3ns latency

the 2400 has lower latency even though it is CL10

Learning something new every day. I thought the cas latency reflected the amount of MHz. In that case I would've gone for 1866MHz CL9 ones instead of the 1600MHz CL10 ones :p

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2014-12-20 17:42:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Grauth Thorner wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:


Rationalise to me how "perfectly functional and does the job as intended if not better" translates, in your mind, to "needs to be replaced". Because I would genuinely love to hear that.

I'm talking pre-bought. Forget the replace it now part, if I were in your shoes and valued RAM so much (which I actually do), I would've at least bought CL9 DDR3 instead of CL10 and preferably even 4 cards instead of 2 (which I actually have).


You didn't rationalise what I asked you to, you just went ahead and further conflated "RAM is more important than CPU for gaming" with "if...you valued RAM so much". I never told you how much I valued RAM, I expressed it's importance in relation to the CPU for gaming. You're clearly incapable of inhabiting my shoes if that's the kind of leap of logic you're going to make. RAM is important up until the point that you have enough, especially if you're on a budget. Why pay more for something you aren't going to use and/or don't need in order to get the same performance for something cheaper?

And Hasikan made the other point I was going to make but before I did, I wanted to understand why you seem to be of the opinion that I need something I don't actually need. It almost seemed obvious to me that the statement "my machine already performs better than I need it to" would be indicative of it not needing any replacements/upgrades. If you wanna throw money around for stuff they don't need, that's your prerogative, but too many people like yourself have it in their head that everyone has to have the latest 'stuff' just for the sake of having the latest stuff. It's dumb. The same types think they have to update everything all the time as well without even checking what the update is. My latest graphics card driver update does nothing for anything I use it for, so I haven't even bothered doing that.

Anyway, at the end of the day, my RAM works great, I even have a little more than I need cuz I never seem to use it all, for anything. It even has heat-sinks on it to help keep temp down. They're bright orange and reflect all the cool flashy lights inside the sports-car-like case I got.

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Aston Martin DB5
Deaths Consortium
Pandemic Horde
#54 - 2014-12-20 19:17:36 UTC
Play the game on your iPhone... im sure it can handle it.Shocked
Bateau Erinys
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2014-12-20 19:32:51 UTC
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Bateau Erinys wrote:
hi mac is really suck at gaming especially for EVE... and I can not boot camp it because of some reasons. So... I'm thinking about buying a desktop only for playing eve, with that being said, you intelligent internet community have any suggestion? budget is up to $500. I appreciate any link or suggestion! fly safe


$500 is not going to buy you anything worth the money, you'd be cutting corners on everything and make your life a living hell. If you really need to get something done with $500, here's a suggestion http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xHJfRB with the option of using a normal hard drive instead of the SSD, but it's slow as hell and 4 clients should fit onto that SSD with the Windows installation.

You want to be looking at spending more to get the following upgrades:
Pentium to i5, about +$70
Proper motherboard, about +$40
Better CPU cooler, +$30
Higher quality power supply, +$40
Mass storage and/or better SSD, +$90/+$50
A case which is of some quality with some cooling fans, +$80

So, you'd be looking at spending at least $800 to get a solid system and this price does not include a Windows license.

Very interesting you choose a 200 bucks video card which is 2/5 of the budget, and I totally agree with that! I just want to handle the basic requirements for maybe triple instances with as much as visual utility. <3
Adrie Atticus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#56 - 2014-12-20 20:57:52 UTC
Bateau Erinys wrote:
Adrie Atticus wrote:
Bateau Erinys wrote:
hi mac is really suck at gaming especially for EVE... and I can not boot camp it because of some reasons. So... I'm thinking about buying a desktop only for playing eve, with that being said, you intelligent internet community have any suggestion? budget is up to $500. I appreciate any link or suggestion! fly safe


$500 is not going to buy you anything worth the money, you'd be cutting corners on everything and make your life a living hell. If you really need to get something done with $500, here's a suggestion http://pcpartpicker.com/p/xHJfRB with the option of using a normal hard drive instead of the SSD, but it's slow as hell and 4 clients should fit onto that SSD with the Windows installation.

You want to be looking at spending more to get the following upgrades:
Pentium to i5, about +$70
Proper motherboard, about +$40
Better CPU cooler, +$30
Higher quality power supply, +$40
Mass storage and/or better SSD, +$90/+$50
A case which is of some quality with some cooling fans, +$80

So, you'd be looking at spending at least $800 to get a solid system and this price does not include a Windows license.

Very interesting you choose a 200 bucks video card which is 2/5 of the budget, and I totally agree with that! I just want to handle the basic requirements for maybe triple instances with as much as visual utility. <3


Those $200 on the GPU is what makes the difference to pre-built "SUPER POWER GAMER COMPUTAH" at your local thrift store, the performance boost compared to a $100 card is in the power of ten, where as you won't get as much performance increase from slapping an another $70 on the CPU. Sure, going with a quad-core i5 would be a huge improvement, maybe upwards of 2.5x on multi-client usage, but the GPU is where it counts.

You have a base and it'll do the job (minus the Windows license) but if you decide to increse the budget or need to hit kb+mouse or a monitor into this, throw an eve-mail or something.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2014-12-21 00:22:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Hasikan Miallok
Grauth Thorner wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
It is not that simple. Fast CL10 ends up with less latency than a slower CL9.

for example:

CL9/2133 versus C10/2400

9 / (2133/2) = 8.4ns latency
10 / (2400/2) = 8.3ns latency

the 2400 has lower latency even though it is CL10

Learning something new every day. I thought the cas latency reflected the amount of MHz. In that case I would've gone for 1866MHz CL9 ones instead of the 1600MHz CL10 ones :p


It is complicated and there are apparently even differences between AMD and Intel as to what is better raw Mhz or lower CAS.

Put simply - CAS Latency is how many clock cycles you need to wait before data is available and hence the total time the CPU needs to wait is a function of two things, the number of cycles ( CL) and the length of a cycle (reciprocal of the "rated" frequency of DDR divided by 2 to get actual frequency) .
Chisa May
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#58 - 2014-12-21 02:43:46 UTC
Heya.

Some nice tech discussion going on.

Here's my SUPER CHEAP build for Eve Online that I'm buying myself for Christmas.

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/P3YrP6

Yes, I know it's probably not worth it but it's much better than what I have right now! And it'll at least let me get back into 3D modelling/rendering which my laptop definitely cannot do.

Cheers,

~~ Chisa

PS: I'll be getting another stick of 4GB ram when pay-day comes. This is *obviously* not intended to run the latest titles at decent fps, but that's not what I'm interested in.
Vapor Ventrillian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2014-12-21 02:57:49 UTC
Hello you are in a smexy corp so already well played fellow npc

If it really only for eve then something with some cpu to back it up...at least for the big battles

The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be

Bateau Erinys
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2014-12-21 04:16:44 UTC
Chisa May wrote:
Heya.

Some nice tech discussion going on.

Here's my SUPER CHEAP build for Eve Online that I'm buying myself for Christmas.

http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/P3YrP6

Yes, I know it's probably not worth it but it's much better than what I have right now! And it'll at least let me get back into 3D modelling/rendering which my laptop definitely cannot do.

Cheers,

~~ Chisa

PS: I'll be getting another stick of 4GB ram when pay-day comes. This is *obviously* not intended to run the latest titles at decent fps, but that's not what I'm interested in.


I totally feel you after all these years. <3