Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It is nothing to do with semantics, everyone gains sp at thr same base rate. Incontrevertable fact. You can gain sp faster by investing in imllants and placing them at greater or less risk in return for greater or less potential returns. It is down to player choice. Keep removing choices that matter and you end up wiyh a soulless game.

That's exactly the kind of flexibility that learning boosters would provide.

Didn't CCP just remove industry teams from the game because they were an arbitrary and uninspired mechanic?

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I see your thinking and do agree that jump clones should be more rapidly accessible, maybe each level of advanced infomorh should take 2-3 hours of the jump clone time rather than just 1 hour.

However I still don't see this as an issue. You see it as a black and white choice between training implants and increased sp or going PvP (with or without combat imps). Perhaps it is as stark a choice as that but I don't see it as bad, in fact I like that the choice has a big impact on your actions. It makes the choice valuable and valid. Those asking for a reduced remap time are simply asking for remaps to be made worthless . Especially pointless would be remaps for isk as this would fall directly under 'Malcanis Law' whereby those with isk would be permanently maxed out for their current skill training.

the system may not be perfect as is but I like the balance between choices and the effect they have.

This would contradict your previous point that you want the players decision regarding implant choice to have a meaningful consequence. You argued that it is good that the player must make a binary choice between learning ability or combat ability; but then argue for jump cooldown to be reduced which would make the former choice meaningless.

In my opinion, make the choice of implants less binary, but 'increase' the jump clone cooldown; so basically the opposite. Give the player an interesting choice, but one which won't completely restrict them; and then give them the consequence which is that they have to live with that choice until their jump clone timer expires.

This really isn't the time to be bullheaded. The problem is a problem, what sense does it make to have a portion of the problem remain. Bad is bad m8

The choice between combat and training should be active when you're engaged in those activities, without having some residual timer **** just to **** people off. That's the kind of clunkiness that is making EVE bad.

I'm not saying the timer should be so short that a player can swap clones willy nilly. But short enough to accomodate active gameplay (PVP), before being put away and put back on dormant status (SP accumulation).

This is turning into a good thread. don't be dense.

The idea of shortening the cooldown between clone jumps to the same station seemed nice to me at first. At the moment it looks more like a significant buff to k-space to me though. Could one of the proponents of that idea please explain why it isn't, or, if it is, why it's justified? Thanks in advance.

Despite being a BRAVE pilot, I think the cheaper implants are very affordable even for people who live in null. The range of learning implants provide a good balance of risk vs reward. While high cost implants provide diminishing returns which also fits well with EVEs philosophy. I never fly with implants that would make me risk adverse, yet I can still afford always use a +3 and +2. Only the newest of newbros can't afford +1s, but those are so cheap that groups like E-Uni and Brave give them out for free.

In which case you can use implants. I specifically addressed that in the OP:

Meh why do all that when you can simply allow implants to be plugged in and unplugged, simple easy tweak that has a much more marked potential to change gameplay. Tying it to Jump Clones is stupid in my honest opinion especially if you are required to spend time training more stuff for ease of access to a feature whose only true limitation is lack of reusability.

Frankly CCP should do the following.
1) Make implants reusable, as much and as often as you want (unplug option)
2) Make implants drop from pods (or corpses)

Two very easy tweaks, that doesn't involve forcing players into a dead end training queue to facilitate the lack of of versatility in the game. More over two tweaks that both will have an impact on the in game implant market, where as adding skillbooks does nothing of the sort and don't provide any driving factor to necessitate such a change.

Moreover once CCP establishes implants as a more user friendly option for min/max or versatility they can further on that approach by making "Pod Fitting" a secondary system in a similar vein of ship fitting. Instead of just plug and play, lets assume that Attribute points serve as "Fitting" requirements for implants, meaning if you have lets say 30 Perception points, you can fit x number of implants associated with Perception...for the sake of argument lets just say a full HG slave set requires at least 30 points into perception for example, with lesser grades requiring less Attribute points to fit. (These numbers are arbitrary and only for example).

This would give Attributes a secondary role in the game other than simply "learning speed" now you must chose Attributes based upon what implant sets you would like to wear. Luckily with +Attributes on some implants, you can increase the available "fitting" ability for slots 6-10.

Now you have an entirely open implant system that revolves solely around the Attribute point system. But what of changing your attributes you say? Wouldn't this format lock you into a singular implant set for a year until a neural remap occurs...yes yes it would. Unless CCP were to remove the 1 year barrier, and allow for players to change attributes at will as well...for a price of course. (Station Service which cost varies over frequency of use, resetting over time).

But what this would do is make players choose between a few things. Do I want to have an ideal training Attribute profile limiting my implant options, or do I want to have a specific set of implants available which may impact my learning speed, do I want to have a swiss army knife approach, most implants but not the best while retaining some learning speed improvements.

Lots of options open up, and players get a lot more to think about when fitting ships, choosing implants, and choosing attributes...of course all 3 tweaks would need to occur together or not at all, but it would provide interesting diversity among people which is always a good thing and of course with implant reusability impacting the market pricing will encourage prices to drop, thus potentially making implant use more attractive in Null Sec, where loss of implants is fairly assured if you lose your ship.