Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Your opinion and use of forum bingo buzzwords is noted.

Unless you can put some actual parameters on 'the economics of it', define what 'influencing player behavior to reduce/slow gameplay' actually means, and maybe describe in 60 words or less what the true meaning of 'subscription time benefit' actually is, then you've pretty much just spouted a bunch of made up techno babble garbage.

No offense, but you make no real sense.

Well - It seems to me like it's not an attribute problem but a remap problem. What if CCP did it so that you can change your profile by setting what you want to have and it aligns towards that by 1 point every 2 days as such

Target: 27/17/21/17/17
Day 0: 20/20/20/20/19
Day 2: 21/19/20/20/19
Day 4: 21/19/21/19/19
(...)

Algorithm is simple: increase the lowest that needs to get higher and decrease the highest that has to get lower, in case of multiple candidates, roll dice.

Simple, would make a full "remap" take in worst case scenario 1 month.
If we extend it to 4 days a point, we get 2 months.

I think this would let vets do their thing and newbies do their thing.
Everyone would gain:)

They should just normalize all training and get rid of training boosting altogether. Your idea is @$% and solves nothing.

Please name one thing in eve you are OK with. I'm just curious what that could possibly be.

Just seems like a really complicated way to do something entirely uninteresting. Yay for boredom.

I'm not sure what is wrong with having to choose between better skillin and better killin. Explain.

And when you choose to go to null you forsake some of the things you can do in hisec for the potentially higher rewards from null.
Choices and consequences just as it should be.

I think Attributes are "meaningless" on the whole because there is a large inability to change them. 1 time a year is kind of a joke, if you could remap your attributes more frequently there would be a large benefit to do so. Case in point I have a 25 day skill plan set up on my free second character training, with the remap and +3 Attribute Implants that has come down to 19 days 18 Hours, just under 6 days time saved, and a perfect fit for a 20 day free training plan.

This is only possible because of how i placed my attributes in the remap, otherwise I would need to cut skills to pull it under 20 days.

Extrapolate that how you will, In my honest opinion having more access to changing attributes would be more beneficial in the long term. Perhaps through an in game isk sink, or yet another PLEX spender. The only thing I would change about implants is make them salvageable from corpses. Otherwise, why fix it if it ain't broken.

In either regard more options is always better than less options, and people who seriously condone removing options from a game should consider removing themselves from the gene pool instead.

It is factually incorrect to say that players lose sp. No player has the right to the additonal training boosts, they earn them. Jusf the same as pirate ships or faction modules. Would people ask to remove them to due to the (available to all who earn it) advantage that they give?

By making a choice to fly pvp in null or wh a player has chosen higher risk for higher reward. Risking implants or *choosing* not to usr them is part of that risk. In hisec the implants are much safer but the rewards are consequently lower in every area.

If you compare two hypothetical scenarios, it is appropriate to state that in one scenario you lose skillpoints relative to the other scenario. Using "losing out on skillpoints" might be less prone to misinterpretation, but all this is really just semantic hair-splitting.

When you read the arguments of many of the opponents of the proposed changes, you see a lot of "you have to earn it", "you need to learn patience", "stop being a spoiled child". In other words, they feel like they need to teach a life lesson to those who argue in favor of the proposed changes, and this distracts them from looking at the mechanics objectively.

When you look at the remap mechanic, for instance, you don't need to earn the boost to train optimally. It's trivially easy to just train the skills that correspond to your current remap. If you do that as a new player, though, it sucks the fun right out of the first couple of months of your Eve career. Same with the +5 Implants: earning the ISK to purchase a set it pretty easy, but once you have them, you are incentivized to be more risk averse, which is bad for both your own fun and for the game as a whole.

In summary, you always need to look at the incentives that the mechanic in question creates. If those incentives propagate tedious, joyless, or frustrating behavior, then they are not good game design, irrespective of how much you have gotten used to them over the years and how much you think they provide valuable learning opportunities in personal growth and delay of gratification for other players.

Fortunately, CCP has recently become much more open to revisiting those types of ingrained but poor game mechanics (e.g., clone grades, skill queue length, etc.) that I am cautiously optimistic that they will do just that with the attributes and skill training system.