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Recons not on d-scan FW implications
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Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#21 - 2014-12-19 16:07:41 UTC
I really can't see the d-scan immunity staying in the long run. I'm waiting for Goons to show how badly broken it is after Proteus hits.

WH space now belonga to Gewns!!!! LOL
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#22 - 2014-12-19 16:07:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
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And again, this is 95% about medium FW complexes. You may be right, but I'm more interested in seeing how the meta evolves with this shake-up than worried that it will be 100% bad.


TBH, i dont see much of a distinction between large and med plexes. I predict that these will be used offensively. Meaning that if they sit in a medium all day people will soon know about them.

Far more likely is that they simply enter a system, dscan the med and large, get cloaky eyes in the large or put a disposable alt into the medium if local count is unaccounted for. Then enter plexes and kill targets with little risk at will.

Personally my alt is a perfect prober and a near perfect falcon so im covered, however, small roaming gangs of combat recons are gonna be very hard to evade, super hard to chase, and extremely hard to engage if they dont want to. Its just a really boring and unneeded meta that imo will be somewhat compulsory to adopt.

Im sure it will be fun for the people roaming in untouchable recon gangs though.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#23 - 2014-12-19 16:17:35 UTC
My issue is that there really is no difference between the 2, except the combat recons don't have that small targeting delay. I'd rather combat recons were immune to EWAR and Neuts.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#24 - 2014-12-19 16:25:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Estella Osoka wrote:
My issue is that there really is no difference between the 2, except the combat recons don't have that small targeting delay. I'd rather combat recons were immune to EWAR and Neuts.


I dunno, as long as they last more than 10 seconds on grid, the ewar tug of war is one of the most entertaining aspects of any reasonably equal fight, second to logi. With extra tank and the feature-set they already had im sure they would be very popular in fleets. With a slot layout pass to make armour tanking some of them an option.

The main difference between force and combat recons really should be the dps. While force should be anemic and pretty useless for solo, combat should have some viable dps but not replace the role of a dps line ship.

No one has ever said they dont fly recon because they have **** tank and they appear on dscan. In fact, im not sure at all what inebriate ever thought that appearing on dscan was a problem that needed fixing. It just sounds like off the wall brainstorming.
Arla Sarain
#25 - 2014-12-19 22:56:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Arla Sarain
Jeann Valjean wrote:
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2) People complained about the same thing when scan inhibitors were introduced, and they haven't affected the plex meta either.

Don't see this as a good example.

Scan Inhibitors themselves show up on DSCAN, just not what's inside.
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
sounds like off the wall brainstorming.

It is/has to be. The thing where CCP wants to be braver and do things as mentioned in the last o7 episode.
Julius Foederatus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-12-20 00:23:30 UTC
Not surprised that Rise is in charge of a change this monumentally bad.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#27 - 2014-12-20 00:58:46 UTC
Cloak delay = Seeing the combat recon warp in.

So the real issue is instances where the dude is sitting where YOU warp into.

To counter this: Probes, Lists (screw me once, shame on me, screw me twice and you're blueballed)
Plato Forko
123 Fake Street
#28 - 2014-12-20 01:05:10 UTC
It looks like the prices for all combat recons have gone up by ~50m and, as expected, the Curse has seen by far the largest increase in demand since the change was announced.

*buys Celestises before the price goes up*
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#29 - 2014-12-20 04:51:26 UTC
still wont make people fly pimp ships in fw. will only be rifters still.

Amarr Militia Representative - A jar of nitro
Joni Hariere
The Imperial Fedaykin
#30 - 2014-12-20 11:00:10 UTC
So everything good stops sometimes.

While removing recons from d-scan, you can remove medium and large plexes from fw.
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#31 - 2014-12-20 11:34:48 UTC
Well, all it means is if i want to go in a med plex I'll pop probes on it first if it seems empty but people are in local.

Crap that the counter is to have an alt though but I guess thats EVE.
Joshua Milton Blahyi
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#32 - 2014-12-20 15:39:46 UTC
If only ccp had just released a combat hull that was able to be combat fit and function as a combat prober.

Thanatos Marathon
Moira.
#33 - 2014-12-20 16:08:08 UTC
Get ready to see Combat Recons integrated into almost every cruiser sized fleet comp of four or more pilots. Start your training now if you haven't got Recon 5 already.

JUSTK is recruiting
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-12-21 20:09:11 UTC
Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:
If only ccp had just released a combat hull that was able to be combat fit and function as a combat prober.


This, my first thought as well ;)

I'm my own NPC alt.
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#35 - 2014-12-22 03:18:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Sean Parisi
If it becomes an issue they will remove it. I like to think I will be the jerk doing it, but I will probably be getting destroyed more from it then doing it.

Tipa Riot wrote:
Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:
If only ccp had just released a combat hull that was able to be combat fit and function as a combat prober.


This, my first thought as well ;)


+1
Meditril
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#36 - 2014-12-22 10:01:03 UTC
I think the new change is a good idea. However it should be complemented by allowing it to sneak into a plex again without getting decloaked.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#37 - 2014-12-22 17:02:06 UTC
Sean Parisi wrote:
If it becomes an issue they will remove it. I like to think I will be the jerk doing it, but I will probably be getting destroyed more from it then doing it.

Tipa Riot wrote:
Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:
If only ccp had just released a combat hull that was able to be combat fit and function as a combat prober.


This, my first thought as well ;)


+1


They did. It is called a Tactical Destroyer. The Confessor fills the role perfectly.
Starbuck05
Abiding Ormolus
#38 - 2014-12-22 17:10:33 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Sean Parisi wrote:
If it becomes an issue they will remove it. I like to think I will be the jerk doing it, but I will probably be getting destroyed more from it then doing it.

Tipa Riot wrote:
Joshua Milton Blahyi wrote:
If only ccp had just released a combat hull that was able to be combat fit and function as a combat prober.


This, my first thought as well ;)


+1


They did. It is called a Tactical Destroyer. The Confessor fills the role perfectly.



I think he was sarcastic there... Either way i can.t coment on fw but for whs this will be awesome

Just because i am blond does not make me stoopid !
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#39 - 2014-12-23 18:25:00 UTC
Prolly, but as someone said in another thread the fitting requirements of an expanded probe launcher really do need to be changed if combat probes are the only way to see the combat recons. Not everyone can afford to have an alt following them around. Especially with the changes to multiboxing in EVE going active on Jan 1st.
Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2014-12-24 13:34:29 UTC
I don't see why this doesn't affect small and novices as well.

One can easily do a recon with a sub 2 secs lock time and get people on the warp in, while being competely safe and already aligned out in case something bigger comes.

I foresee quite a lot of curses specifically fit for fast lock times to s**t on frigates camping outside small and novices
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