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buying a new desktop for eve,suggestions please
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Bateau Erinys
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-12-19 15:00:28 UTC
hi mac is really suck at gaming especially for EVE... and I can not boot camp it because of some reasons. So... I'm thinking about buying a desktop only for playing eve, with that being said, you intelligent internet community have any suggestion? budget is up to $500. I appreciate any link or suggestion! fly safe
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2014-12-19 15:26:09 UTC
Eve is mostly cpu heavy so if you're building with eve specifically in. Mind that's where you're going the want to spend money.

How many clients do you operate?

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Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#3 - 2014-12-19 15:27:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol Project
Congratulations!

For the last 25min nobody wrote anything in GD anymore.

Everyone is trying to find a good computer for your budget now.

I hope you feel good about this!

Edit: And ralph ruined it. Seriously... 25min and you post just before me.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#4 - 2014-12-19 15:37:16 UTC
It's also worth mentioning that multiple core cpu's Don't offer much of an advantage because the way eve is coded prevents it from making use of more than one core,
I have no actual understanding of how the witchcraft that keeps eve running works but I have enjoyed reading about it and if I remember correctly that was the case,

I am frequently wrong though so ye can feel free to correct me on anything iv said.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#5 - 2014-12-19 15:41:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
Bateau Erinys wrote:
hi mac is really suck


Yes, yes it does..

You can buy or build a PC with an AMD A8 or A10 CPU (true quad core) and 8GB RAM for less than $500 without monitor. Make sure the RAM is at least DDR3 1866 and the onboard GPU will be very happy

You probably want to mention if you plan to multibox or not, but should be able to pull off 2 instances of EVE easily with something like the above before the GPU becomes the bottleneck.

More cores = multiboxing.
More cores = EVE + other things simultaneously.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#6 - 2014-12-19 15:47:11 UTC
blah blah blah joke about a new table blah

blah blah also joke about Surface blah

Whatever

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Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#7 - 2014-12-19 15:57:51 UTC
Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
#8 - 2014-12-19 16:26:40 UTC
Not really sure what PC's cost in Amerika, but like others said, the amount of instances of EVE you are running at the same time can determine how many cores you want on your CPU. An i5 2.00+ GHz, between 4 and 16GB of DDR3 RAM and something like a GeForce GTX 660+ should be able to run at least 2 instances at max settings. I am no fan of on-board GPU's. Depending on what you can actually get for the $ 500 you mentioned, and wether the monitor should be included in this price, you might want to lower the RAM and/or the GPU. In case you got some money left, try to find a CPU with more GHz.

Getting an i7 instead of an i5 or instead of a quadcore AMD is probably not within your budget, but it's not advised either unless you run at least 5 instances of the game (and possibly even more) at once. Otherwise i5 has better performance compared to an i7 with the same amount of GHz.

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Xylem Viliana
homeless bum
#9 - 2014-12-19 16:43:36 UTC
Tips on buying a computer for 1 game.

Dont, if its purely for 1 game soldier on till you need to upgrade for other reasons.

Thats like buying a new house cause the paint in one of the rooms isnt to your liking.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#10 - 2014-12-19 16:44:15 UTC  |  Edited by: DaReaper
At present I have an AMD A8 (or A9.. lord I forget) with 16gb of ram, and an ATI R9 270 card, I can run 5 eve clients on high settings with no issues.

Also I have a i7 8gb laptop with an NVidia.. 870 I think in it, it can do 1 on high, I have not tested with more.

And I have an Asus T200TA Transformer book, I was able to play 1 account on medium to low settings with very little issues. though I just kinda flew around a wh and jita so have not really tested it yet.

Anything on the market today should play eve with no issues, except non real windows tablets (windows RT is not full windows)

Hope that helps

You can easily get an amd/ati computer setup for $400. just check a few place, pricewatch.com is a good reference for price comparison, if you build your own

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Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2014-12-19 16:44:18 UTC
Grauth Thorner wrote:
Otherwise i5 has better performance compared to an i7 with the same amount of GHz.


That may be true on some applications that have been poorly optimized for multi-threaded operating. Also, there is a tiny amount of overhead used in managing the other cores, but something crazy small. The i7 has more cache than an i5, so it should actually run better than the same GHz i5, assuming only 2 cores are in use.

Now, if a given game/application tries to use all 4 cores and results in poorer performance than if it had only used 2, that is the programmer's fault, not the processor's.

Having said that, I agree that a modern i5 is fine for running up to 4 clients.
Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2014-12-19 16:52:41 UTC
Xylem Viliana wrote:
Tips on buying a computer for 1 game.

Dont, if its purely for 1 game soldier on till you need to upgrade for other reasons.

Thats like buying a new house cause the paint in one of the rooms isnt to your liking.


Why? The OP did not ask for financial advice, if Eve is an important part of his life and his current rig does not run it well, why not upgrade? The real question is if a computer, primarily used for Eve, is worth $500 it to him. It sounds like he already decided the answer is yes. We also don't know what other plans he has for the new computer, or plans to repurpose the existing one that offset that investment.
Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
#13 - 2014-12-19 17:44:31 UTC
Paul Panala wrote:
Grauth Thorner wrote:
Otherwise i5 has better performance compared to an i7 with the same amount of GHz.


That may be true on some applications that have been poorly optimized for multi-threaded operating. Also, there is a tiny amount of overhead used in managing the other cores, but something crazy small. The i7 has more cache than an i5, so it should actually run better than the same GHz i5, assuming only 2 cores are in use.

Now, if a given game/application tries to use all 4 cores and results in poorer performance than if it had only used 2, that is the programmer's fault, not the processor's.

The statement is based on some articles I've read and benchmark tests of about 2-3 years ago. The problem had to do with checking wether it needs to hyperthread, starting the hyperthreading and stopping the hyperthreading, which is something the i5 doesn't have to do (as long as it has 4 cores and not 2).

For rather new games and games in the future, i7 will mostly be better because using 8 threads is becoming the new standard for games. No idea how many threads EVE is running simultaneaosly though, but according to Ralph King-Griffin:
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It's also worth mentioning that multiple core cpu's Don't offer much of an advantage because the way eve is coded prevents it from making use of more than one core
although he also states in his post that he's frequently wrong Smile

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#14 - 2014-12-19 18:08:41 UTC
Would recommend i5-4440 for any budget PC build.

Oh god.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#15 - 2014-12-19 18:14:15 UTC
Grauth Thorner wrote:
8 threads is becoming the new standard for games.

Since when? I play a lot of games and buy a lot of new releases. I haven't seen any games that require an 8 core CPU. I've seen many games that have stability issues with 8 core CPUs though.

Oh god.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#16 - 2014-12-19 18:31:50 UTC
maybe not in your budget but i can only recommend a SSD. Buy a small for OS + things you use daily and keep the remaining stuff on classic drives.

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Grauth Thorner
Vicious Trading Company
#17 - 2014-12-19 19:02:52 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Grauth Thorner wrote:
8 threads is becoming the new standard for games.

Since when? I play a lot of games and buy a lot of new releases. I haven't seen any games that require an 8 core CPU. I've seen many games that have stability issues with 8 core CPUs though.

Pretty much since the next-gen consoles use 8 cores. Games using 8 threads doesn't mean that your PC needs to be able to run 8 threads at the same time though.

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Fatoria Hemah
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2014-12-19 19:07:26 UTC
As I'm looking forward to buying a new PC as well and if I have time to play anything it's 99% playing eve and 1% mining asteroids I'd also would like to get some kind of 'official' statement if eve does support multithreading or if only higher Ghz matters.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#19 - 2014-12-19 19:22:51 UTC
Fatoria Hemah wrote:
As I'm looking forward to buying a new PC as well and if I have time to play anything it's 99% playing eve and 1% mining asteroids I'd also would like to get some kind of 'official' statement if eve does support multithreading or if only higher Ghz matters.



The EVE client is not multi-threaded.





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Bateau Erinys
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2014-12-19 19:37:32 UTC
Wow, the care I feel ... Didn't expect these responses, just wow.
Now let me start reading. And thanks everyone
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