Warfare & Tactics

I'm just putting this out there to see how others in FW feel about recons not showing up on d-scan.

Is this something you'd like to see implemented or will it make the fights happen less frequently?

Especially for solo players, you'll never know exactly what you're going up against before it's too late.


How do you feel about this change? Do you support it?

Will you become more risk averse?



CCP Post Regarding changes

Just added the post from CCP for reference.

Curse, Lachesis, Huginn and Rook are the ships that will be removed from d-scan.

It certainly seems like solo pvp is constantly taking a bashing with these kind of changes.

And every fleet will now require a dedicated prober or someone in a gimped fit to scan plexes before a fleet makes the decision to go in.

Not sure who's going to want to commit to a fight inside a med plex without cloaky eyes on the outside so might impact on small gang/solo fights for those that don't multibox. Might push further focus on smalls/novices for determining system control.

I think the d-scan thing may be a step too far, I mean look at the Curse. With an improved resist line it'll take reps much better even in small/med gangs, just one on field can swing a fight so making it piratically invisible may make folks even more twitchy about taking fights than they already are. IMO if you want to use stealth, well, that's what a Pilgrims for.

Having said that I've got recon V and a bunch in my hanger...so I'll be turning up late for fights I guess!

Thought about this, and I don't think it'll make any difference for FW.

1) I don't think many people in lowsec will be flying recons unscouted through gates to go offensive plexing. At least not when FW starts to heat back up from the current lull.

2) People complained about the same thing when scan inhibitors were introduced, and they haven't affected the plex meta either.

3) It's not "gimping" a fit to add a probe if that probe is suddenly very useful. A Stratios can fit a cloak, probe, has drones for DPS. If you're solo and worried about recons destroying your T1 30-mil ISK cruiser, then fly a stratios. You'll only lose it if you're bad.

Just not true, i fly a 300m isk kite with 2000ehp. 2 completely undetectable recons land and suddenly my kite frigate is in a 160-170km diameter killzone. No decloak recal, no warning.

Im pretty sure there wont be a medium plex that isnt regularly visited by a recon anywhere in the warzone because :norisk:

Also, your suggested counter is a ship that might be able to cloak and run away, your solution is no better than stabbed cloaky farmers.

Predictably dying regardless of how much attention you are paying is not less predictable.

Also, larges are absolutely effected. Just may not be camped. To an extent they are worse because they can organise a precice warp in to you and with a couple of sebos, pretty much anything is toast.

The whole thing is pointless. One group pull a recon on me, i never fight them ever again. Im not in the game to give people easy kills. Or i just form a fleet to go kill them and they peace out. Or form a fleet with recons, so, recons become compulsory counters to recons. Its just dumb imo.

As for me having recon, a simple local count would usually cover that where i fly.

Also, this isn't just going to be detrimental to FW, think of the people in WHs.

I see what you mean.

But isn't it the same as, say, gatecamps, 'excessive' ECM or even the current cloaky recons?

People that abuse them, at least in Black Rise, get their arses handed to them by appropriate counters until they give up.


And again, this is 95% about medium FW complexes. You may be right, but I'm more interested in seeing how the meta evolves with this shake-up than worried that it will be 100% bad.