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i've emptied a 0.5 belt in amarr space, came to about 100 - 120 mil, it took me all day as i was on my own, but thats what it came to on just the ore.
I haven't emptied a 1.0 belt, but i'd guess its about 50 - 60 mil, though dont quote me on that.

There won't be that much difference I would imagine.

Your biggest problem in a 1.0 system is that the belts will mostly be mined every day, and they take 3 days? to fully regenerate.

Possibly thats where the difference is, a 0.5 belt probably gets less miners hitting it day in and day out.

Also, as far as i'm aware...not every belt holds the exact same amounts of ore anyway.

Sorry my answer is a bit vague, but there's a lot of variables.

Hmm seems to be all over the place.. The place i've found is empty nearly all the time anyways so i guess i could rack in 200-400 mil in total.. That once a day should be good but who knows

Thanks alot guys and if anyone else has more info then please post as i will be checking this thread still : )

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Oh right? I am going to be mining in amarr so if a system had like 9 belts are you saying there is 900+ mil to be collected then?
People have said there is only 20 mil in each belt so i am seeing conflicted reports tbh

Put it this way, my hulk from a single cycle (82 seconds) nets an estimated 800k ISK +-50k depending on the ore.
And like I said, I'm there in the belt for nearly four hours.

Sec only determines the variety of mineral bearing.

Dead end, Pipe and Hub determine Ore too.

Most High sec belts will have around a million M3 ore. The lower you go in the scale of Ore, the more M3 per unit they weigh and the more it weighs, the less you will find.

The heaviest belt ore in high sec is Kernite, 1.2 M3 per. Veld is the lightest. Plag is in the middle at .35 close to Pyro, it is .3 per unit. It's impossible to say there is 'this much ISK' in a belt because the ore types and M3 volumes by ore change from region to region, sec to sec. For pure ISK, a dead end .9 can have more ISK because it will be filled with dense Veld and Rich Plag/ Viscous Pyro and will have more units of those because the M3 of the belt isn't weighted down on heavy ore like Omber that has low worth.

tl;dr there is no conclusive answer.

First off, you're checking (IIRC) SISI belts, which essentially are never mined.

Therefore, you're giving ideal numbers -- a generic belt in TQ will most likely have approximately 66% of that value after DT, due to the fact that they don't get the requisite 3-4 days to actually grow to capacity -- respawn is approximately 40-50% for a completely dead belt, and approximately 30-35% of "max size" for any non-depleted belts. Then you have to factor in the guys who get to it before you.

Generally on TQ, you're looking at approximately 8-10 character-hours to kill a belt (figured based on my evidence, and then extrapolating a max skill hulk + relevant implants + max skill orca + relevant implants) -- or, real-world time of 4-5 hours for one miner and one booster. Now, I've been out of the day-to-day of mining since Kronos/Cruis, but at the time I ran the numbers, you were looking at approximately 100 - 150m ISK per belt (or approximately 25-30 mil ISK / hour).

Edit -- now obviously, you can potentially get more ISK in backwater / rarely mined systems ... but YMMV.

good to know, I will try to find time to log on to TQ immediately after down time and scan then (4AM for me ). thanks for the info. Does that mean that mining out a belt actually causes it to spawn MORE ore after the next dt? also, would you happen to have a link to this info? not that i don't believe you, just doubt you want to answer all the questions i have (and will have).

Assuming you are correct about a 'non-depleted' spawning ~33% of max, my numbers agree with your fairly exactly. ~1.4M m3, 375M isk, 8.4 man*hours with perfect mining.

No official links -- CCP has never provided the numbers. However, I do recall several discussions of the possibilities of the respawn mechanics in the old forums -- evesearch may still have them archived. They most likely pre-date the current mechanics of "daily respawn" though, but I wouldn't imagine that much was actually changed in the logic (maybe nerfed a bit).

Yes, mining out a belt causes "more" to spawn overall, but it's a somewhat randomized system -- e.g. if you have 10 belts and mine out 5 of them, they will all spawn whatever "40-50% of a max filled belt" is, but it won't necessarily be an even distribution of "20;10;5 Veld (& variants) / 20;10;5 Plag / 10;5;5 Omber / etc" -- one or two might have that, but another might have more vanilla ores (and less 10%), another might have more 5% and less vanilla, etc. However, they average out to (roughly) the same amount of m3 overall. This aspect is also bound by minimum belt size and maximum belt size (in numbers of rocks) -- a newly spawned belt will "always" have whatever 100% of rocks is; say 60 rocks total, split among all types - veld/plag/etc - and variants - vanilla / 5% / 10%.

Because of this "acceptable belt size" range, it's possible to create belts where the individual rocks themselves are (nearly) maxxed out, so it doesn't matter that the belt itself is spawning "less" overall than if you had emptied it completely -- you can focus more on other things happening (pilots moving around the system, etc.) than having to switch rocks every second or third cycle...

This system is also weighted to the normal ores (e.g. if a belt holds 2 million units, you'll get 800k-1m on a flat respawn, but somewhere north of 4-500k in vanilla ores, with the remaining split between +5 and +10% variants (also weighted toward the 5% variants)). Presumably, the distribution of rocks is also capped in a particular system -- for example, so you can only have 25 of the "Dense Veldspar" rocks at any one time, spread across all the belts in that system.

A lot of this is holdover from the original respawn mechanics -- belts only respawned in on Monday and Friday, so a completely dead belt would get enough of a boost (when compared to a partially mined belt) to make it viable again, or at least to last through the weekend.