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Stopping new players from doing missions for 4 hours?

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Celine Sophia Maricadie
Tal-Cel Industry and Salvage LLC
#21 - 2014-12-11 15:17:58 UTC
You're just having really bad luck.

Anyway, if you can do L3's then what you should look to do is scanning down combat sites and run the 3/10 and 4/10 sigs you find. No ISK payout other than bounties, standings, or LP, but on occasion you really score with DED, Faction loot, and rare blueprints.
Vorll Minaaran
Centre Of Attention
#22 - 2014-12-11 15:18:33 UTC
Btw there are plans to repair your standing, if you wish: https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Faction_Standing_Repair_Plan
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2014-12-11 15:24:05 UTC
TRONEON wrote:

I give up, this game mechanic is stupid and just hinders new players from mission running with block timers on playing game content...that's over 12 hours now I have not been able to do a single lvl 3 mission...complete joke.

Missions don't seem worth the bother and hassle, time to look at something else I think.


The game didn't stop you from doing a thing. You CAN take and do that mission, and mitigate the consequences using any number of the above suggestions. OR, you can try something else I, and many others, would argue is far more entertaining/worth your time than running missions.

There are consequences for everything in EVE. I choose to attack players "illegally" in lowsec, the consequence is a dramatic drop in Security status, I'm therefore a walking target to everyone everywhere, including High Sec, Concord won't save me. For you, the consequence is lower standing with whatever faction you were shooting at in the mission.

I suggest you take all the good advice in the posts above to heart instead of blaming the game's design.

Grrr.

Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
#24 - 2014-12-11 15:31:43 UTC
TRONEON wrote:


Ty for help but none of what you said solves the issue I am having and the poor game design, I don't want to have to fly around all over the place wasting time being bored, I don't have 12 hours a day to play and should not be restricted for 4-8hrs from doing missions, that is just how I feel about it.

As for the fast track to lvl 3 missions the way I managed it was to do all the tutorial career agent missions which gave free ships / skillbooks / loot and quite a bit of standings, then did an epic story arc and a few lvl 2 missions hardly any and I was ready for lvl 3 missions before I could even afford my first battlecruiser. Just a shame I can't even run lvl 3 missions when I would like to and when I have the time to play because constantly blocked from doing so.


I think you are missing an important point here.

It is not poor game design. It is the consequences of the decisions you are making in game. Frankly, that's what makes EVE what it is vs. just another MMO.

You have been offered a number of recommendations to address your concerns, maybe try one of them?

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."

- Hunter S. Thompson

Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-12-11 15:51:12 UTC
TRONEON wrote:
I suggest you come up with a new game design that is not so annoying

TRONEON wrote:
it's not fun or good game design

TRONEON wrote:
it just seems like poor game design

TRONEON wrote:
I give up, this game mechanic is stupid

Eve players don't take it kindly when you blame the game for your own lack of imagination. There are thousands of things to do in this game. Missions are a very small part of it. If standings are that big an issue for you, please, find something else to do.

Or just run Sisters of Eve missions. I rejected every faction mission (sometimes more than once every four hours) and got up to level 4 standings without any issues. They give out fewer faction missions.

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Benthos Thellere
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-12-11 17:57:30 UTC
TRONEON wrote:


Lets say I have a few hours to play...
[edit]

...Not everyone has 6+ hours a day to play games.

I don't have 6 hours a day to play either, and got bored sick of mission running. I joined RvB. A few hours of play time yields a lot of fun, experience and death. Sometimes that's even completely risk-free death (no pod kills, and a bunch of free ships sitting waiting for you to jump into and shoot other pilots with.)

It's only one option, but you could do a lot worse. Like mining (IMHO, of course).

Best of luck with your next steps in EVE.

Cheers!

Benthos Thellere.

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Davith en Divalone
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-12-11 19:17:41 UTC
Or you could do the math and take the (usually minor) standing hit for declining.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#28 - 2014-12-11 19:35:53 UTC
Faction standings are a joke and super easy to fix. you have 2 really easy options:
1) run the mission and take a small hit that really doesn't matter.
2) decline and lose a tiny bit of faction/corp/agent standings that you will easily get back with 2 or 3 more missions.

I lived as an outlaw for a few years, comparatively living with slightly bad faction standings is way way easier. And I never fly to gallente or minmatar space so I dunno why I even care about my standings with them anyways.

you seem to be saying no for the sake of saying no at this point. good luck with that attitude...

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Syssitia Nikostratos
Apobangpo Worldwide
#29 - 2014-12-11 23:09:33 UTC
Just because you can't do missions doesn't mean you can't play the game. If the standings are important to you for whatever reason, then okay fine. Decline those missions. Since you now have to wait to do more missions, you seem to be saying that you just can't play the game at all. That's so wrong.

EvE is not missions. It's not mining. Those are the two most boring parts of it!

grab a cheap, fast frigate and head to low-sec solo to blow something up. Or avoid getting blown up yourself.
Train a bit of scanning skill and do some Exploration site running.
Fleet up with a few other newbros in local (or from your corp since you seem to have one) and go on a roam down in low or null together to see what kind of trouble you can get into. Slightly better odds of surviving in groups.
Try FW
Scan down mission runners and steal their loot
ninja salvage
go on a tour of null just to see how far you can get
build something
steal something
gank a miner
set a trap for a miner ganker

There are literally millions of things to do while you wait to run more missions. Maybe even something you find you like enough to not want to go back to those boring missions in the first place.

Manners maketh man.

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#30 - 2014-12-11 23:50:31 UTC
Aah. Looks like we have another "I came from this grindy MMO" person.


A. Stop whining about sec hits. It is there cause of lore.
B. NO **** sherlock that if you run missions for a defence force, you get anti-faction missions.
C. Run freaking missions for another agent while you wait. Any given system usually has multiple agents, so any constellation will have dozens... Sure you can pick a 'back up' agent.

D. If this already makes you not want to sub. Bye, careful with the door...it is evil.
It is unlike you think (heads up: a personal opinion is not a fact. If that was true, people like you should not be allowed on the internet as that is my opinion) not a broke mechanic and you are in 4.5 years actually the first new player that I see/hear complaining about it. It is there for reasons of lore, player distribution and the ancient old...butterfly effect...you actions in EVE have consequences.

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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#31 - 2014-12-12 00:12:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
I find it hard to believe that OP is at a NPC station with no other NPC stations within a short hop of 4 jumps.

When I hit the 4 hour limit, I either do something else, or go to a different agent (same corp, or another corp).

The benefit of faction standing is you can access agents of the same level for any corp in that faction.
Algathas
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#32 - 2014-12-12 00:52:30 UTC
Many missions against empire factions drop tags worth a lot , sometimes much more than a normal mission. So you could think of these missions as an opportunity to make faster isk.
Don Cordelion
Doomheim
#33 - 2014-12-14 11:32:18 UTC
Unlike the apologists in this thread who think the system is GREAT CCP has different opinion. From CSM 9 minutes.

You can read whole thing about missioning starting from page 128
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/CSM9Summer_Minutes_2014.pdf

Quote:
CCP Soniclover
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I think the dynamic payment can help with cherry picking. We think that this is important to look at because we are looking at breaking out of the current method. If you ask your agent for one. If you decline we have a stupid mechanic where you get a second bad mission and now you have to wait and people may not log back in until the next day. It is a feature that encourages
people to log out.
--
CCP Soniclover
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We really think we are going to move away from standings stopping people from accessing this content and we know it will make some people angry.


They'll fix the mission system at some point, we'll start seeing changes probably next year. The code is apparently a mess so it'll take some time to fix it or they'll redo it completely. But they are actively looking into it.

So basically you are right, it's stupid mechanic and it'll change at some point.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-12-14 12:14:55 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Don Cordelion wrote:
Unlike the apologists in this thread who think the system is GREAT CCP has different opinion. From CSM 9 minutes.

You can read whole thing about missioning starting from page 128
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/CSM9Summer_Minutes_2014.pdf

Quote:
CCP Soniclover
-
I think the dynamic payment can help with cherry picking. We think that this is important to look at because we are looking at breaking out of the current method. If you ask your agent for one. If you decline we have a stupid mechanic where you get a second bad mission and now you have to wait and people may not log back in until the next day. It is a feature that encourages
people to log out.
--
CCP Soniclover
-
We really think we are going to move away from standings stopping people from accessing this content and we know it will make some people angry.


They'll fix the mission system at some point, we'll start seeing changes probably next year. The code is apparently a mess so it'll take some time to fix it or they'll redo it completely. But they are actively looking into it.

So basically you are right, it's stupid mechanic and it'll change at some point.


So, yet again CCP will dumb down EVE more to suit the stupid people that are too lazy to move to a back up agent in case they run into this.

Really, EVE ever since we got the new head of dev, is turning into WoW in space
*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.


Next step: They will remove the levels on agents. Cause it's just boring and takes time to grind to a level 4 agent. I want good payment and I want it NOW...




p.s. You know how much you would take information in CSM minutes as serious:


0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001


If we would get what is said there, POS system would have been overhauled at least 3 times already and we would have been on the 4th or 5th SOV system already.

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Jurico Elemenohpe
Flipsid3 Tactics
#35 - 2014-12-14 15:05:45 UTC
I don't understand the problem, since I've never declined a story line mission, but what's wrong withh declining it and then running missions? I thought the only 4h thing was after declining a mission, any more declines during that period will give a standings loss.
Keno Skir
#36 - 2014-12-14 16:35:58 UTC
This game mechanic encourages players to use a variety of agents / corps. It's a long game and you're only in 6 days.
Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-12-14 16:46:02 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
Jurico Elemenohpe wrote:
I don't understand the problem, since I've never declined a story line mission, but what's wrong withh declining it and then running missions? I thought the only 4h thing was after declining a mission, any more declines during that period will give a standings loss.

He's not talking about storyline missions. You can decline those easily because they come from a different agent. He's talking about getting two "shoot Caldari" mission in a row. Normally if you are grinding, you'll have so much extra standing with the agent and corp that you can decline the second one despite the penalty and never lose access to any agents (at least with SOE...maybe not with one of the more trigger happy faction factions).

Don Cordelion wrote:
Stupid mechanics are stupid and they should be fixed.

Remove missions? Big smile

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TRONEON
GAME GRID
#38 - 2014-12-14 18:28:27 UTC
Don Cordelion wrote:
Unlike the apologists in this thread who think the system is GREAT CCP has different opinion. From CSM 9 minutes.

You can read whole thing about missioning starting from page 128
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/CSM9Summer_Minutes_2014.pdf

Quote:
CCP Soniclover
-
I think the dynamic payment can help with cherry picking. We think that this is important to look at because we are looking at breaking out of the current method. If you ask your agent for one. If you decline we have a stupid mechanic where you get a second bad mission and now you have to wait and people may not log back in until the next day. It is a feature that encourages
people to log out.
--
CCP Soniclover
-
We really think we are going to move away from standings stopping people from accessing this content and we know it will make some people angry.


They'll fix the mission system at some point, we'll start seeing changes probably next year. The code is apparently a mess so it'll take some time to fix it or they'll redo it completely. But they are actively looking into it.

So basically you are right, it's stupid mechanic and it'll change at some point.


Oh wow thanks for finding that, glad they are taking into account, it does make you want to log out and come back later rather then actually play. It discourages new players is what I was trying to say but I was terrible at explaining.
Jurico Elemenohpe
Flipsid3 Tactics
#39 - 2014-12-14 23:03:01 UTC
Cara Forelli wrote:
Jurico Elemenohpe wrote:
I don't understand the problem, since I've never declined a story line mission, but what's wrong withh declining it and then running missions? I thought the only 4h thing was after declining a mission, any more declines during that period will give a standings loss.

He's not talking about storyline missions. You can decline those easily because they come from a different agent. He's talking about getting two "shoot Caldari" mission in a row. Normally if you are grinding, you'll have so much extra standing with the agent and corp that you can decline the second one despite the penalty and never lose access to any agents (at least with SOE...maybe not with one of the more trigger happy faction factions).

Don Cordelion wrote:
Stupid mechanics are stupid and they should be fixed.

Remove missions? Big smile
ah, rgr.
If you really care about that, grind all your faction standings up to 10. That should last you a couple years of missions.
Good luck.
Matee Danek
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2014-12-19 07:48:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Matee Danek
TRONEON wrote:
Centis Adjani wrote:
TRONEON wrote:
I may give up on missions completely and do something else, since if I am having to reject missions all the time due to standings loss and constantly being told "sorry we dont want you to play our content for 4-12 hours please GTFO" then it is not worth the waiting time and loss of game time / isk making.

I know some people will disagree but it's my opinion, it's not fun or good game design, especially for new players. It's even made me think if it's worth subscribing after my trial ends.

The design is made because you should not do missions for ONE agent/corp only.
You should get to know the universe and fly around.

Do missions simultanously for different agents in different stations / different corps.
Open the Agent finder and search for a system or constellation were several agents of
the level you want are around in different stations.

And additional you can fly for different factions simultaniously. Because in space of one faction
(Gallente for example) exist stations / corps from the other factions (Caldari, Minimatar, Amarr) too.

In wait times of one Agent which gave you a mission you declined, you can fly for the other
agents / corps then.

Edit: And a tip how to reach Level 3 security missions for a given corp fastest..
Take a Nereus and do Distribution missions. They are very fast to do so it takes
not long to reach the standing for Level 3 missions.


Ty for help but none of what you said solves the issue I am having and the poor game design, I don't want to have to fly around all over the place wasting time being bored, I don't have 12 hours a day to play and should not be restricted for 4-8hrs from doing missions, that is just how I feel about it.

As for the fast track to lvl 3 missions the way I managed it was to do all the tutorial career agent missions which gave free ships / skillbooks / loot and quite a bit of standings, then did an epic story arc and a few lvl 2 missions hardly any and I was ready for lvl 3 missions before I could even afford my first battlecruiser. Just a shame I can't even run lvl 3 missions when I would like to and when I have the time to play because constantly blocked from doing so.


I don't understand why you care about standings so much. What's the big deal? Don't they go down from Faction Warfare anyway?
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