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GhostOfDoom
A House Abyss
Hull Tanking Therapy
#261 - 2014-12-18 15:24:27 UTC  |  Edited by: GhostOfDoom
La Rynx wrote:
GhostOfDoom wrote:

blowing a miner out the sky and saying GF is bollocks as there is no fight

So you agree with me.

GhostOfDoom wrote:

I don't hunt miners never have never saw the point i rather lose a good fight than win a **** one so get your facts right

Then your posts where unclear.

Just to say it again.
I am not against ganking.
But i am against something what one might call "aggresive tear whoring". Targeting the people behind the monitor not the in game alts. It seems that is OK for ppl like Black Pedro, but if they get real life threads, they want to play innocent victims.

Thats childish behavior, denying the possiible consequences of their own actions.
Are they young children? Toddlers? Or educated adult hypocrites?

admiral root wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
You may insist and stomp with your feet now!


Why would we lower ourselves to your level?


Why indeed?

Anyway, wrong direction, *you* would have to rise.
I am not begging for a "gf".


yes I agree with you attacking someone that can't defend them self is cowardly and saying GF for that is just bull

I'll have to re- read what I and clear it up later

A good Fight is one that is a challenge if a miner challenges you and you blow them out of the sky then fair enough there fault but but GF for a good fight is a sign of respect On Doom Lord Alpha Foxtrot used to roam nul sec we lost ships we gained ship and respect was shown until you didn't show it back.
attacking a miner in nul sec is fair game as no one is safe there but that's because it nul sec the rules don't apply.

saying that most of the time the random noob that made it into nul sec to mine would be told to leave or left to the belt rats anyway
Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#262 - 2014-12-18 15:26:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol Project
Not worth it.

Ladies of New Eden YC 117 by Indahmawar Fazmarai

Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear!

Diana Kim > AND THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!!
GhostOfDoom
A House Abyss
Hull Tanking Therapy
#263 - 2014-12-18 15:33:14 UTC
Sol Project wrote:
Pedro... sorry, no.

Please dont be such a hypocrite. People deserve honesty, not manners.
People deserve to be treated as their characters,
not adressed as the players.

They are playing a game.


And -10 would be a badge of honour if yoj people wojldn't ruin the profession by hiding in station all the time and finding targets with alts.

You stknk of hypocrjsy right now.

WTF are you talking about your -0.01 i got worse than that for parking in from of a jump gate damn you Space wardens

-10 of not agreeing or disagreeing with badge of honour but with a -10 if there in a station in anything but 0.1 - nul sec there dead on leaving so unless you can go find a -10 hiding some how in a high sec or even low sec station pop them and prove yourself or better still come find me afk I will be here and watching YouTube to give you a head start.
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#264 - 2014-12-18 15:34:55 UTC
GhostOfDoom wrote:
yes I agree with you attacking someone that can't defend them self is cowardly and saying GF for that is just bull


Fortunately, everyone in Eve can defend themselves, even the ones who choose not to.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#265 - 2014-12-18 15:39:14 UTC
WTF has any of this waffle got to do with the OP?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#266 - 2014-12-18 15:39:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol Project
GhostOfDoom wrote:
Sol Project wrote:
Pedro... sorry, no.

Please dont be such a hypocrite. People deserve honesty, not manners.
People deserve to be treated as their characters,
not adressed as the players.

They are playing a game.


And -10 would be a badge of honour if yoj people wojldn't ruin the profession by hiding in station all the time and finding targets with alts.

You stknk of hypocrjsy right now.

WTF are you talking about your -0.01 i got worse than that for parking in from of a jump gate damn you Space wardens

-10 of not agreeing or disagreeing with badge of honour but with a -10 if there in a station in anything but 0.1 - nul sec there dead on leaving so unless you can go find a -10 hiding some how in a high sec or even low sec station pop them and prove yourself or better still come find me afk I will be here and watching YouTube to give you a head start.

I removed the post before already.
It wasn't adressed at you. Are you pedro?
I was -10 loooong before your char was even born.

-10 in highsec isn't hard, no matter what. If you dont believe it,
I can prove it to you as soon as I reach it again.

But I know, like all the other facts pointed out for you,
you will rather choose to ignore, because reality shatters your fake belief.

Also ... lol look at that rage.

Link points at iwantisk.com ... you are just a griefer ...
... and getting more and more angry because you can't deal with reality.

Ladies of New Eden YC 117 by Indahmawar Fazmarai

Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear!

Diana Kim > AND THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!!
Black Pedro
Mine.
#267 - 2014-12-18 15:42:24 UTC
Sol Project wrote:
Pedro... sorry, no.

Please dont be such a hypocrite. People deserve honesty, not manners.
People deserve to be treated as their characters,
not adressed as the players.

They are playing a game.

People deserve some common decency. When I lose my ship in a failed gank, or while doing something unrelated to ganking I always give a 'gf'. It's just a game and if another player beats me in an encounter I think it only polite to offer a 'gf'.

Sol Project wrote:

And -10 would be a badge of honour if you people wouldn't ruin the profession by hiding in station all the time and finding targets with alts. Others would go "Wow it's hard to pull that off", instead of "lol easymode carebear".

You stink of hypocrjsy right now.

I am not even -10 right now. But to the point, I am not exactly sure how you think ganking should be done to be "honourably", but aside from bouncing around in a Thrasher hunting random pods and shuttles, it is essentially impossible to gank without a warp-in because of the game mechanics. There is no way I can land on a belt and reach a miner before the faction police grab me unless the miner is right on the warp-in point. And haulers, especially the big ones, require even more coordination.

Remove the faction police and you might get what you want, but until then, we are limited to ganking the only way the game mechanics allow.


The 8 Golden Rules of Eve

Why Do They Gank?
Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#268 - 2014-12-18 15:43:05 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
WTF has any of this waffle got to do with the OP?

People who talk about things in ways that make no sense ...
... ignoring facts and projecting their own beliefs onto others.

What did you expect?

Ladies of New Eden YC 117 by Indahmawar Fazmarai

Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear!

Diana Kim > AND THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!!
GhostOfDoom
A House Abyss
Hull Tanking Therapy
#269 - 2014-12-18 15:44:05 UTC
admiral root wrote:
GhostOfDoom wrote:
yes I agree with you attacking someone that can't defend them self is cowardly and saying GF for that is just bull


Fortunately, everyone in Eve can defend themselves, even the ones who choose not to.


partly true but these so called PvP'ers that just suicide gank miners in high sec really do make my blood boil when they claim to be PvP PvP is a skill a Challenge.
Miner can do more to defend them self agreed but it's the same in real life a prick with a grenade and 4 pounds of C4 not much you can do about it.

and these So called suicide that pick on noobs more than anything else are coward through and through in all the years I have played MMO's I have never seen it this bad in all game it's like there too afraid to fight someone that can hit back.

when I started MMO's PvP was a skill now it's a ******* joke these kids have no idea about
Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#270 - 2014-12-18 15:44:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol Project
Black Pedro wrote:
Sol Project wrote:
Pedro... sorry, no.

Please dont be such a hypocrite. People deserve honesty, not manners.
People deserve to be treated as their characters,
not adressed as the players.

They are playing a game.

People deserve some common decency. When I lose my ship in a failed gank, or while doing something unrelated to ganking I always give a 'gf'. It's just a game and if another player beats me in an encounter I think it only polite to offer a 'gf'.

Sol Project wrote:

And -10 would be a badge of honour if you people wouldn't ruin the profession by hiding in station all the time and finding targets with alts. Others would go "Wow it's hard to pull that off", instead of "lol easymode carebear".

You stink of hypocrjsy right now.

I am not even -10 right now. But to the point, I am not exactly sure how you think ganking should be done to be "honourably", but aside from bouncing around in a Thrasher hunting random pods and shuttles, it is essentially impossible to gank without a warp-in because of the game mechanics. There is no way I can land on a belt and reach a miner before the faction police grab me unless the miner is right on the warp-in point. And haulers, especially the big ones, require even more coordination.

Remove the faction police and you might get what you want, but until then, we are limited to ganking the only way the game mechanics allow.



No, the facpo stays. The game as -10 is easy enough already.
The facpo makes it at least challenging.

Just because your FCs dont teach you how to play as outlaw ...
... doesnt mean there is no better, more fun and engaging way to do so.

You people are being robbed from gameplay by people who do not want to put effort
into teaching you how it is done properly.

Ladies of New Eden YC 117 by Indahmawar Fazmarai

Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear!

Diana Kim > AND THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!!
Hiasa Kite
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#271 - 2014-12-18 15:47:40 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
WTF has any of this waffle got to do with the OP?

Good question. I sense an incoming cleanup if not an outright lock.

This thread suffers from derailment not only because it's a touchy subject, but as I pointed out to Epeen earlier, the question asked doesn't actually target anyone. The question "why the hate?" was met with several "I don't hate you" answers and none whatsoever confirming animosity to the miners.

As such, I'm not sure there's much more to be said on the matter.

"Playing an MMO by yourself is like masturbating in the middle of an orgy." -Jonah Gravenstein
Black Pedro
Mine.
#272 - 2014-12-18 15:49:52 UTC
Sol Project wrote:

Just because your FCs dont teach you how to play as outlaw ...
... doesnt mean there is no better, more fun and engaging way to do so.

Nah, blowing up miners and freighters using the traditional methods is pretty fun. Perhaps there is something even more fun out there, but I am having a pretty good time enforcing the Code as it is.

If you some ideas to make it more fun and engaging you'd like to share, perhaps you could start a post in Crime & Punishment as we are drifting quite far off topic.

The 8 Golden Rules of Eve

Why Do They Gank?
admiral root
Red Galaxy
#273 - 2014-12-18 15:49:55 UTC
GhostOfDoom wrote:
partly true but these so called PvP'ers that just suicide gank miners in high sec really do make my blood boil when they claim to be PvP PvP is a skill a Challenge.
Miner can do more to defend them self agreed but it's the same in real life a prick with a grenade and 4 pounds of C4 not much you can do about it.

and these So called suicide that pick on noobs more than anything else are coward through and through in all the years I have played MMO's I have never seen it this bad in all game it's like there too afraid to fight someone that can hit back.

when I started MMO's PvP was a skill now it's a ******* joke these kids have no idea about


It's entirely true. If you elect not to defend yourself you deserve whatever happens to you. The main reason people elect not to defend themselves is yield, be it actual mining yield or greater cargo capacity. That right there is PvP: you're banking on being successful by taking a greater risk for a greater reward, whilst others are trying to prevent that happening.

In addition to being terrible, your analogy falls flat against a sniper. Throwing insults around and letting your blood boil shows that you should probably step back and take a few deep breaths. This is just a game - don't let it get to you so much.

No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#274 - 2014-12-18 15:53:20 UTC
GhostOfDoom wrote:

partly true but these so called PvP'ers that just suicide gank miners in high sec really do make my blood boil when they claim to be PvP PvP is a skill a Challenge.
Miner can do more to defend them self agreed but it's the same in real life a prick with a grenade and 4 pounds of C4 not much you can do about it.

and these So called suicide that pick on noobs more than anything else are coward through and through in all the years I have played MMO's I have never seen it this bad in all game it's like there too afraid to fight someone that can hit back.

when I started MMO's PvP was a skill now it's a ******* joke these kids have no idea about


So... if no one called it PvP you wouldn't be complaining then, right?

Because I can't see anyone caring whether it is or is not called that but you.

Again, though, what if anything does this have to do with any perception of miners being hated?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#275 - 2014-12-18 15:57:41 UTC
GhostOfDoom wrote:
admiral root wrote:
GhostOfDoom wrote:
yes I agree with you attacking someone that can't defend them self is cowardly and saying GF for that is just bull


Fortunately, everyone in Eve can defend themselves, even the ones who choose not to.


partly true but these so called PvP'ers that just suicide gank miners in high sec really do make my blood boil when they claim to be PvP PvP is a skill a Challenge.
Miner can do more to defend them self agreed but it's the same in real life a prick with a grenade and 4 pounds of C4 not much you can do about it.

and these So called suicide that pick on noobs more than anything else are coward through and through in all the years I have played MMO's I have never seen it this bad in all game it's like there too afraid to fight someone that can hit back.

when I started MMO's PvP was a skill now it's a ******* joke these kids have no idea about

You should take a long walk ... before I make your head explode.

And thanks for proving the projection, too.

Ladies of New Eden YC 117 by Indahmawar Fazmarai

Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear!

Diana Kim > AND THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!!
GhostOfDoom
A House Abyss
Hull Tanking Therapy
#276 - 2014-12-18 15:58:47 UTC
Sol Project wrote:
GhostOfDoom wrote:
admiral root wrote:
GhostOfDoom wrote:
yes I agree with you attacking someone that can't defend them self is cowardly and saying GF for that is just bull


Fortunately, everyone in Eve can defend themselves, even the ones who choose not to.


partly true but these so called PvP'ers that just suicide gank miners in high sec really do make my blood boil when they claim to be PvP PvP is a skill a Challenge.
Miner can do more to defend them self agreed but it's the same in real life a prick with a grenade and 4 pounds of C4 not much you can do about it.

and these So called suicide that pick on noobs more than anything else are coward through and through in all the years I have played MMO's I have never seen it this bad in all game it's like there too afraid to fight someone that can hit back.

when I started MMO's PvP was a skill now it's a ******* joke these kids have no idea about

You should take a long walk ... before I make your head explode.

And thanks for proving the projection, too.
Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#277 - 2014-12-18 16:05:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol Project
I won't go on with this.

Ghost is way too obsessed with this. What he does is drawing feelings from the things happening in the game,
raging shen there are things happening that do not support or run against his beliefs.

I suggest getting a life. And a new hobby.
When this makes your blood boil, then you are doing it wrong.
Next to all the other things I have stated.

I don't want to risk that this guy loses it and hurts people for stuff in a videogame.
He's way too in it for my taste.

No thanks.

Ladies of New Eden YC 117 by Indahmawar Fazmarai

Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear!

Diana Kim > AND THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!!
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#278 - 2014-12-18 16:12:16 UTC
Wait... GhostOf ... Frying Doom?

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#279 - 2014-12-18 18:40:02 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
Black Pedro wrote:

It's always good manners to give a 'gf' to your opponent

You getting more funny every time!
Ignoring the respect part dosn't make you a smart discussionopponent. One shows respect to people you even respect a little.
You are not respected at all -> So thats a no gf for you.
Next to repeat is, that you can not demand it.
Obviously thats hard to accept for codies!
But hey thats the price you pay when you are offering youself to this "altar" of yours.

Black Pedro wrote:

Some view as us villains for the terror we cause in the asteroid belts and shipping lanes,

Yawn, you are not the only gankers and that what makes you different is not some tough or evil part. You are roleplaying a bunch of wackos leaded by some delusional fool. Let me just rub in the AT2014 and the e1ban incidents.
Again: you are taking what you are acting like and a lot of ppl dont act like villains. They act like Jerks.
"i can not be stationcamped..." lel. ohh this tough one knows instawarps and instadocks...

Really, you guys...

Black Pedro wrote:

As for the -10,

My bad, this was about an alt. I was wrong.

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
Korwin Abre-Kai
lichfield exploration and salvage
#280 - 2014-12-18 18:42:53 UTC
Kestral Anneto wrote:
Hi All,

As a miner, i come across this all the time, but what i don't understand is, why so much hate towards miners?

Eve is a sandbox that every game wants to be, where people get to make there own stories, it's not whole PVP, PVE or whatever.

So why the hate? QuestionQuestion

the short answer is that this is simply the ugly side of human nature for the long answer I refer you to "the Stanford prison experiment"

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&sqi=2&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.prisonexp.org%2F&ei=XRaTVNRjl4ihBNPXgKgN&usg=AFQjCNEbUZArNSrtIZU5SX64Zc0_dfkhUg&sig2=Kt_CDJ66SUcgP0ntfKmOhw

IMO this behavior has its roots in bigotry , as any one who choses to hate another human being based on what they do or who they are is a text book bigot period and as the Stanford study I sited makes clear it does not matter in the least that this is "just a game" every person involved in that nasty incident knew full well that none of it was "real". and yet the effects were so insidious that even the people running the study lost control and the situation became so frightening that it was shut down the moment some one from out side the situation saw what was going on.
is EVE that bad? obviously not. but that does not change the dynamics involved and imo one "plays the villain" at ones own risk and if you are not self aware enough of your own motivations in doing so the risk is that much greater.
yes this is a game but your attitudes toward others be they in the game or out are VERY real.