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Morrigan Nighe
#261 - 2014-12-18 09:09:21 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


Players so unattached to their char should not bloody have an avatar, period. Evil


This is unfair to say. They might have been attached to their character/portrait under the old system, which had – for most of the races – a very different feel to it and now have been dealt a character, with a look they don’t enjoy as much and have to live with it now.

Not everyone was lucky and made a good cut with the change to the new system and I can understand, why people ask for it.
Tarpedo
Incursionista
#262 - 2014-12-18 11:09:47 UTC
I've forgot to tell - fluorescent materials. *The other* sci-fi game has implemented "club" clothing - it looks fun.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#263 - 2014-12-18 11:11:39 UTC
Kill la Kill outfits.

... just saying
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#264 - 2014-12-18 12:57:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
The outlaw femme tops are thick enough to cause a maternity look, but the pattern in the jacket is also a problem. The problem lines are highlighted in green. The lines give the jacket an overall bell shape while also forming a circular pattern around the belly. The maternity effect might be a problem regardless of color (that was the first thing I said when Commissar Kate showed me pics from Sisi). If horizontal stripes are bad when you want to look slimmer, a circle is worse.

I didn't mention this during the conference because we were on the clock and it is a bit after-the-fact. But now we're back in GD and I can say whatever I want and not feel bad. For example, I imagine this woman is questioning her life choices that led to becoming a clothing model and getting stuck with the femme outlaw jacket.
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#265 - 2014-12-18 13:14:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Wacktopia
Edit: Oops the date passed.

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#266 - 2014-12-18 13:52:03 UTC
Morrigan Nighe wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


Players so unattached to their char should not bloody have an avatar, period. Evil


This is unfair to say. They might have been attached to their character/portrait under the old system, which had – for most of the races – a very different feel to it and now have been dealt a character, with a look they don’t enjoy as much and have to live with it now.

Not everyone was lucky and made a good cut with the change to the new system and I can understand, why people ask for it.


I was talking about gender change. I don't like race change but can understand it for the reasons you mention. And anyway I'd rather have racial blending, as Indahmawar is 25% Gallentean.

Also, now that WiS is out of the table, could we change the height of our avatars?
Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#267 - 2014-12-18 13:57:38 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Morrigan Nighe wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


Players so unattached to their char should not bloody have an avatar, period. Evil


This is unfair to say. They might have been attached to their character/portrait under the old system, which had – for most of the races – a very different feel to it and now have been dealt a character, with a look they don’t enjoy as much and have to live with it now.

Not everyone was lucky and made a good cut with the change to the new system and I can understand, why people ask for it.


I was talking about gender change. I don't like race change but can understand it for the reasons you mention. And anyway I'd rather have racial blending, as Indahmawar is 25% Gallentean.
That explains a lot! ;)

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#268 - 2014-12-18 20:18:14 UTC
Sol Project wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Morrigan Nighe wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:


Players so unattached to their char should not bloody have an avatar, period. Evil


This is unfair to say. They might have been attached to their character/portrait under the old system, which had – for most of the races – a very different feel to it and now have been dealt a character, with a look they don’t enjoy as much and have to live with it now.

Not everyone was lucky and made a good cut with the change to the new system and I can understand, why people ask for it.


I was talking about gender change. I don't like race change but can understand it for the reasons you mention. And anyway I'd rather have racial blending, as Indahmawar is 25% Gallentean.
That explains a lot! ;)


She totally could use larger eyes. Sad
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#269 - 2014-12-18 20:56:32 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
The outlaw femme tops are thick enough to cause a maternity look, but the pattern in the jacket is also a problem. The problem lines are highlighted in green. The lines give the jacket an overall bell shape while also forming a circular pattern around the belly. The maternity effect might be a problem regardless of color (that was the first thing I said when Commissar Kate showed me pics from Sisi). If horizontal stripes are bad when you want to look slimmer, a circle is worse.

I didn't mention this during the conference because we were on the clock and it is a bit after-the-fact. But now we're back in GD and I can say whatever I want and not feel bad. For example, I imagine this woman is questioning her life choices that led to becoming a clothing model and getting stuck with the femme outlaw jacket.


There's something I miss to grasp here... you mean that "looking pregnant" is a bad thing? Bell-like clothing is not new nor unusual, and it haves the strange property of making real women (you know, with hips) look good. Roll

Pregnant?

No hell, hot!
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#270 - 2014-12-19 00:16:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
I guess everyone can have their opinion. Perhaps we're out of touch with spacefashion, and the tent look of clothing is appealing in the future. But if it was up to me, I would have said no to the design after one look. Basic design sense tells you those sloping lines are bad. Here's what would look better: if the jacket stopped at the waist, like the men's.

With the apron bit I look like a butcher, and not in a good way. A pregnant butcher.
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#271 - 2014-12-19 00:45:01 UTC
I think I agree with Karkur and Indah here. It does not remind me in any way of a pregnancy.

The apparel has overlapping hems like a suit of plate armor might, and in certain angles it looks like it is protruding when what you are seeing are the the very edges of the hems sticking out. Doesn't look bloated to me, it looks durable and has a unique shape.

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#272 - 2014-12-19 00:48:02 UTC
Sooo ... if CCP paid for this gear to be actually made in Shanghai somewhere in a range of sizes and sold it online at a reasonable price - who here would wear it ?
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#273 - 2014-12-19 01:20:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
the thought of commissioning a leather outlaw jacket makes my inner cosplayer very, very happy.

Sibyyl wrote:
I think I agree with Karkur and Indah here. It does not remind me in any way of a pregnancy.

The apparel has overlapping hems like a suit of plate armor might, and in certain angles it looks like it is protruding when what you are seeing are the the very edges of the hems sticking out. Doesn't look bloated to me, it looks durable and has a unique shape.

the difference here is that suit has V shapes in it, while the outlaw apron has the opposite.

Her form is that of a Christmas tree. Oh, ok nevermind. That explains it. Because Christmas.

(pssst: the reason that picture supports my argument so well is that I'm right.)



BTW, I'm totally down with pregnancy being a thing. Marriage, too. Divorce and child support could be new professions.

Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
The outlaw femme tops are thick enough to cause a maternity look, but the pattern in the jacket is also a problem. The problem lines are highlighted in green. The lines give the jacket an overall bell shape while also forming a circular pattern around the belly. The maternity effect might be a problem regardless of color (that was the first thing I said when Commissar Kate showed me pics from Sisi). If horizontal stripes are bad when you want to look slimmer, a circle is worse.

I didn't mention this during the conference because we were on the clock and it is a bit after-the-fact. But now we're back in GD and I can say whatever I want and not feel bad. For example, I imagine this woman is questioning her life choices that led to becoming a clothing model and getting stuck with the femme outlaw jacket.


There's something I miss to grasp here... you mean that "looking pregnant" is a bad thing? Bell-like clothing is not new nor unusual, and it haves the strange property of making real women (you know, with hips) look good. Roll

Pregnant?

No hell, hot!

The first one is called an A-line, and you wouldn't find it made of leather. If the outlaw women's jackets were supposed to have a cute look, it failed at that too. The second is a miniskirt and neither one has a circle pattern in the stomach area.




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Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#274 - 2014-12-19 01:56:22 UTC
Interesting

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#275 - 2014-12-19 01:59:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
you should probably leave the fashion design calls to the artists. maybe.

edit: I hate to pack so much negativity in so few posts, but another thing that bothers me is the catsuits, particularly the shoulder piece. I think it has the same feel as Bill Nighy's outfit in Love, Actually. It's a mix of 50s sci-fi and boogie nights, and it's begging for bell-bottoms.

the rocket dress looks like something a girl would wear to a middle school dance.
Sol Project
Shitt Outta Luck - GANKING4GOOD
#276 - 2014-12-19 02:28:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Sol Project
Wow, you rant and rant and rant ...

This and that and this ...

While I idea that your measure of the OutLaw would definitely suit you better ...
... and actually looks better this way, but maybe a bit too tight from a different angle.

Well ... better. It fits.

No idea, I like it your way. It's sexy. In my opinion it doesn't have to look sexy,
but it also doesn't have to look potatobag.

Your issue with pregnancy is interesting.


Anyhow, you are kind of losing it.
So much negativity and talking down from above, because "you know".


Why can't you just spit out what the **** is going on?


What is it that makes you unhappy?



And why you would think the OutLaw jacket should be some kind of cute ...
... except your design again, which makes you look cute?

On that pic of yours, you look like a cute, harmless and innocent girl in an OutLaw jacket.


And definitely not pregnant.




So, what's the bottom of your issues exactly?



Edit:
To me it looks like you're ranting that your character doesn't have the sine wave like look
you create in that small pic of yours with the corrected jacket.

I agree that the jacket completely destroys the mathematical precision of a female body ...
... but you are kind of losing it because of this crap.


Hell ... make your ******* own! :)

Ladies of New Eden YC 117 by Indahmawar Fazmarai

Warning: NSFW! Barely legal girls in underwear!

Diana Kim > AND THIS IS WHY THE FEDERATION MUST BE DESTROYED!!

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#277 - 2014-12-19 02:42:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
I like a lot of the other things in EVE, so I guess what I should do is mention the virtual wardrobe I keep for my characters, becuase I like the designs. Commissar Kate has a wardrobe three times as extensive as mine. I bought AUR for this expansion and I've redeemed PLEX for AUR in the past, purely for personal use rather than selling on market. Clothing items make the best gifts for players like myself and k8... it means a lot to me that clothing is happening in EVE.

I'm just trying to be thorough in mentioning things that could be improved, in my opinion.

In those cases where things are bad (in my opinion), I'm disappointed that poor designs make it into the game. Unless Karkur was just saying that she likes the design for political reasons, it is downright disturbing when management is one of the roadblocks.

Another thing that most people don't understand is that working with art and visual things does not make a person an artist. Most people get by as technicians. There is a very big difference between an artist and a technician, and compared to technicians, artists are rare. That's basically how bad design calls fall through the cracks and become finished products, rather than being halted and fixed.

I love the clothes in EVE. I just think there are some items that could be better.



The technician thing is the reason we still play Excel in space after ten years.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#278 - 2014-12-19 07:38:31 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
I guess everyone can have their opinion. Perhaps we're out of touch with spacefashion, and the tent look of clothing is appealing in the future. But if it was up to me, I would have said no to the design after one look. Basic design sense tells you those sloping lines are bad. Here's what would look better: if the jacket stopped at the waist, like the men's.

With the apron bit I look like a butcher, and not in a good way. A pregnant butcher.


If it stopped at the waist, it would no longer be a coat, but a jacket... Blink

I even like the overlapping, if it was V-shaped, it would look like it's hanging down to protect the family jewels, which would look weird on a woman. As the opposite shape, it stresses the hip area in a sexy way as it follows the natural curve of the crotch (which, conversely to V-shape, would look weird on a man).

At his point, it's just a matter of personal taste...
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#279 - 2014-12-19 09:00:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Quote:
Your issue with pregnancy is interesting.

Alien film made good usage of innate fear of being pregnant combining it with facehuggers and aliens bursting thru the chests.

Some inspiration for new hairstyles.


Not every piece of clothing have to be pretty (shocking).
Some pieces are just practical.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#280 - 2014-12-19 09:28:02 UTC
I'm not saying V shapes in the crotch would be a good thing either. Like sibyyl's example of armor that stops at the rib cage, I think the outlaw jacket should too.

Karkur also said "no one wants more robes" but for the sake of discussion and moving on, I didn't speak up. What I wanted to say was hell yes I would rock robes on =-all-= of my mains. Not forever, but I would from time to time. So actually, yes, some people want more robes, and I find it disturbing that she holds that opinion. Seriously, run for the hills.

No one expects management to know everything. What they should do, however, is find at least one person to trust in a particular area, and support their input. In the case of the outlaw coat, yes it's called a coat, but someone should have stopped the process and cropped it into a jacket. Hey look at that, it even looks good from the back without the flaps.

The only place in the history of mankind you've seen this pattern is on a horse's ass at a renaissance fair.

The coat is bad, your opinion is bad, and you should feel bad.