EVE General Discussion

I was going to stay out of this because .. well I could care less about isboxer .. I'm not a user.

But I felt that I needed to toss my comment into the fray.

I've been in since 2009 with one character (primary) and ~6 months later a second (secondary) and did so to supplement my primaries activities. Although it has since taken on a life of its own.
I've done mining for myself when I need to make something. I've done missioning with the secondary as a RR or supporting fire for the primary and have switched those roles from time to time. Hell, I've even carried on two way conversations between the two in the presence of others because 1) I thought it was funny especially given some of the topics and arguments, 2) to further the illusion that they were not both me.

I've done this all manually, alt tabbing between two clients. I would never do a dual PVP encounter because I realize that there is a limit to human task switching like this. And I'd have serious concerns of a fleet op with both toons where others were relying on one or the other's full focus.

Do isboxers affect me? .. it has and can still. As a professional (RL) I have limited time to play ~ 1-3 hrs max per night.. 3-4 nights per week. If I'm in a position where I need to mine or mine "X" ore to produce something, a 30 man robocrew can **** all the belts in a given system(s) with little effort. That would not happen normally without the ability to multibox. I can say that because for the most part it doesn't and I don't encounter boxers. And if I did and it hampered my progress, I'd adapt. I'd move my FBO or wait a week(s) and sign in again and try again. Or a host of other activities. My point is, you can humanly multi-client with limits and multiboxing does give you a inhuman ability and therefore advantage.

And if you say there is nothing preventing me from getting that same "inhuman ability", my response is, then why "play"? Why set the number of players to zero and sit back and watch the game play itself ? Turn your boxer off and see if you can still control that 30 man robocrew with your fingers and do it for more than an hour. Then I'll believe the rhetoric of it just makes a repetitive task I could do with my hands, easier.

[steps off soapbox and walks away]

You realise that 20 characters can be controlled for mining manually with ease, because there's so few clicks that mining requires, right. I've not seen 30 done manually, but honestly I doubt it would be too tough.

And the thing is, the belts get stripped because they are tiny in highsec. There's like 600-800m total in a whole ice belt. Even if multiboxing were completely banished, they would still get stripped down in no time, you'd just be complaining about the corporation full of boosted miners that did it instead.

At the end of the day, what it boils down to is you don't do it therefore nobody else should be allowed.

At the outside, with only a fairly standard gaming keyboard:

copypasta a standard password: 10s per character, tops.
Pre-setup overview: 0s/ character
Lock rocks using a keybind for alt tab and ctrl click (normal hardware support and in-game shortcut): 7+.5s per character
f1+ bound single key for alt tab: 2s+.2s per character.

Means you can no almost completely AFK it, and lose slightly more efficiency compared to a broadcasting boxer. Doesn't require any IS boxed functions.

R.I.P ISBoxing HQ, AS, and VG fleets. I for see a great deal of skilled incursions alts going on sale. Aswell as plex prices going down i.e. supply and demand. Demand going down supply thus goino up. I honestly would rather CCP focus on the more important things like fixing cloaky camping. Make cloak scanner probes that can find cloaked ships. And make a bomb like discovery probe that travels X amount of distance and declines anything within 10 to 15 km of the discovery probe. Thus a fix to cloak camping. Also it's Essie to probe cloaked ships versus non cloakies, when using the cloakies probe scanner.

Just to clarify does this mean taking to another window on an alt to salvage is fine? Or is that a bannable just want to check

You can't broadcast your mouse over all your screens at once. Other functions of isboxer are ok.

I was merely attempting to point out other ways to make ISK with relatively few accounts for the butthurt people going "hurr need 50 accounts to make money". For those who complain because someone put the time, effort, and in some cases, real life cash, for multiple accounts, multiple accounts is encouraged by CCP and is practically required in order to be competitive in certain industries in EVE. Stop complaining because you didn't want to put effort into your game. Also, I only know of two VG boxers who are giving up boxing VGs, not including myself, out of a group of 10 VG boxers or so. The multibox-heavy community of DIN isn't worried about this, so that should tell you something.

As for your ridiculous statement regarding PLEX, it dipped to, what, 950, maybe 920, right after the announcement? If ISBoxing was the main cause of inflation, it should have theoretically dropped to the 6-700 levels. Don't come crying to the forums when it breaks 1b again, because you can't blame ISBoxers. You got the market speculators and hoarders to thank for that.

Even worse he'd be banning whole operating systems. It would be completely impossible to play the game.

But it isn't even 1 Jan 2015 yet

If you loved that, wait till you hear that ISBoxing will continue to happe. We'll still be running VGs, still run HQs, stilll mine ice, still mine ore.

A lot of us actually do have friends in the game who don't ISBox. We didn't start up EVE and instantly multibox. Nobody that I've encountered started EVE and ISBoxing at the same time. We have communities and groups that we hang out with, and we laugh and swap stories and have a good time while doing our thing.

Only tears I see are (to paraphrase from an old Tom Sawyer play) from the rabble who's coming after the scientist because they don't understand his work, and because he's different from them. Stop projecting your tears and rage onto us. 90% of us have already found a way to continue multiboxing.

Also, multiboxing does not make one unbeatable at PVP. I point you towards the video of the multiboxing Harbingers getting smacked down by a group of experienced, skilled, and well trained pilots using their heads and EWAR to turn the ISBoxer into nothing more than a nuisance at best.