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Thera not pve friendly!

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Darko Atlante
Riemannian Manifold Torus
#201 - 2014-12-17 13:42:36 UTC
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#202 - 2014-12-17 14:22:28 UTC
It goes to show that some people will use any excuse imaginable to hide their personal failures.

To date I've lost exactly 2 cheap PVE firgates in Thera, mean while i've made some nice pocket change using nothing but the aforementioned cheap frigs (this post brought to you by a sub paid for with a plex that itself was paid for using nothing but Thera generated income).

Just because you can't figure out how to pve in Thera doesn't make Thera 'unfriendly' to PVE.
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#203 - 2014-12-17 14:26:00 UTC
Joseph Penton wrote:
Well took a trip to Thera today and ended up jumping back to a new clone. All the structures had warp disruption fields around them so for pve is a waste of time! I understand that there is no security there but being able to put a warp disruption field around a non-player station is kinda lame. You would think RP wise the owners of the station would destroy it so their ships can get in and out. So for explorers and PVE players stay away from Thera is just another pvp area!


its the biggest most stupid thing CCP have done. Seriously what did they expect to happen.

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#204 - 2014-12-17 14:28:14 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:

its the biggest most stupid thing CCP have done. Seriously what did they expect to happen.


In what way is it stupid?

Why do you think this is not what they expected?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#205 - 2014-12-17 14:29:30 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:
Joseph Penton wrote:
Well took a trip to Thera today and ended up jumping back to a new clone. All the structures had warp disruption fields around them so for pve is a waste of time! I understand that there is no security there but being able to put a warp disruption field around a non-player station is kinda lame. You would think RP wise the owners of the station would destroy it so their ships can get in and out. So for explorers and PVE players stay away from Thera is just another pvp area!


its the biggest most stupid thing CCP have done. Seriously what did they expect to happen.


They expected people to figure it out (and some of us already have).

There are these new inventions called "nullified ships" that ignore bubbles making getting in to Thera easy as pie. once in you can set a clone their and the market is sufficient to supply you with cheap pve ships. You can check any public killboard for my own Thera ships.

CCP shouldn't have to play the game for you.
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
Pandemic Horde
#206 - 2014-12-17 14:34:56 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
tiberiusric wrote:
Joseph Penton wrote:
Well took a trip to Thera today and ended up jumping back to a new clone. All the structures had warp disruption fields around them so for pve is a waste of time! I understand that there is no security there but being able to put a warp disruption field around a non-player station is kinda lame. You would think RP wise the owners of the station would destroy it so their ships can get in and out. So for explorers and PVE players stay away from Thera is just another pvp area!


its the biggest most stupid thing CCP have done. Seriously what did they expect to happen.


They expected people to figure it out (and some of us already have).

There are these new inventions called "nullified ships" that ignore bubbles making getting in to Thera easy as pie. once in you can set a clone their and the market is sufficient to supply you with cheap pve ships. You can check any public killboard for my own Thera ships.

CCP shouldn't have to play the game for you.


let me advise you sonny after playing for over 10 years, ccp certainly don't play the game for me. The problem with these things is that quite simply you have a few factions that bubble the hell out of the place and just camp the station and that to me as a pvper is boring and lame, plus it spoils everything its about. its just like the poco change in highsec, but guess what people like goons and rvb pretty much took every single one. So how does that help the masses? it doesn't... same here.

All my views are my own - never be afraid to post with your main, unless you're going to post some dumb shit
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#207 - 2014-12-17 14:41:12 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:
The problem with these things is that quite simply you have a few factions that bubble the hell out of the place and just camp the station and that to me as a pvper is boring and lame, plus it spoils everything its about. its just like the poco change in highsec, but guess what people like goons and rvb pretty much took every single one. So how does that help the masses? it doesn't... same here.


Complains it doesnt help the masses

Complains it only helps the big entities

Complains big entities own the majority of resource

Oxymorons everywhere

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#208 - 2014-12-17 16:35:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Panala
Where I do agree with the OP is that the Devs stated that they want Thera to be a trading hub. You can't expect it to ever work as expected if there are constantly bubbles around the NPC stations. If they had simply said that they want it to be a busier than normal WH system, then sure, keep it as it is.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#209 - 2014-12-17 16:59:52 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:


Oxymorons everywhere


Damn it Ramona, i keep having to fix yer posts!!!!

Big smile
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#210 - 2014-12-17 17:03:19 UTC
Paul Panala wrote:
There I do agree with the OP is that the Devs stated that they want Thera to be a trading hub. You can't expect it to ever work as expected if there are constantly bubbles around the NPC stations. If they had simply said that they want it to be a busier than normal WH system, then sure, keep it as it is.


Can you provide a citation, please?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Orlacc
#211 - 2014-12-17 17:06:54 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Paul Panala wrote:
There I do agree with the OP is that the Devs stated that they want Thera to be a trading hub. You can't expect it to ever work as expected if there are constantly bubbles around the NPC stations. If they had simply said that they want it to be a busier than normal WH system, then sure, keep it as it is.


Can you provide a citation, please?



This.

P.S. I was in there the other night and it was me not many others. No bubs on Stations at all.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Anslo
Scope Works
#212 - 2014-12-17 17:11:40 UTC
tbh Thera so far seems kinda...pointless.

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#213 - 2014-12-17 17:14:08 UTC
Anslo wrote:
tbh Thera so far seems kinda...pointless.


It's a gold mine. People just don't realize it yet. Like I said, i've only died twice in there so far and I've pulled some good isk out of it.
Anslo
Scope Works
#214 - 2014-12-17 17:16:20 UTC
Effort to get GOOOOOOOOLD out of Thera versus other wh's, or nul sites, or Level 5's, imo, just seems meh. I dunno, its value to me was lore, a way to solve a mystery. So far, some of us with that interest have been disappointed to say the least.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#215 - 2014-12-17 17:20:32 UTC
Anslo wrote:
tbh Thera so far seems kinda...pointless.




Content is driven by player action.


Thus sitting around a bubble farm killing everything that moves for no particular reason is pointless. The content becomes pointless.


Some people's game is wrecking the game. This is why I always like Herr Wilkus (who brought ganking to a science) - he was dead honest about his intentions but everybody he targeted had a chance to adapt and not quit.

Since there is no reason to bubble Thera up and kill everything, there is no reason to be there either.

So the end result, as I don my Captain Obvious rank insignia here, is that it's pointless.

The moment I read that dictor bubbles would be allowed I predicted this. The "kill everything for no reason" class of player is often the most overlooked (and they complain about it loudly) but the players who simply shrug and move on have perfectly adapted to that play style.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Anslo
Scope Works
#216 - 2014-12-17 17:22:50 UTC
If bubbles were left out, then I think Thera might have been more interesting, especially for new PVPers. Imagine, a swarm of newbies, dunking each other. Suddenly, a wild Vet appears anticipating easy prey, ONLY TO GET SWARMED BY THE NEWBIES. WATCH AS THE COLONY OVERWHELMS ITS PREY TO FEAST ON ITS LOOT. THE WILD VET IS HELPLESS TO GET AWAY AS THE 2BIL ISK GANK LOKI IS QUICKLY OVERCOME, AND DESTROYED.

CRIKEY

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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#217 - 2014-12-17 17:25:43 UTC
If you want to do industry, there are 100k units compressed veldspar and 50k units compressed scordite in the SSO station. Really, there isn't a shortage in minerals at the moment.

Sovereignty and Population

New Mining Mechanics
Anslo
Scope Works
#218 - 2014-12-17 17:27:04 UTC
Ah but how are they priced relative to k-space? What's the markup on ~convenience~ ?

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Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#219 - 2014-12-17 17:29:22 UTC
Imo it's never a good idea to have to make so many special rules to get people to do something. Interdiction bubbles are a part of null/WH life. They are easy to avoid and even help an attacker (you know that hic is going no where when his bubble is up, so bring friends and you got a guaranteed kill.

The solution to bubble camps is "kill the bubblers", not "ccp please don't let them bubble me". It took me 2 tries to get into Thera but I made it, and already Thera-Centric groups are forming. Just last night I joined a pick up anomaly farming group, i flew a Drake and though we got blobbed i made it out alive and with some loot.

Thera is just like EVE in that it is (and only is) what you make of it.
Anslo
Scope Works
#220 - 2014-12-17 17:32:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Jenn aSide wrote:
Imo it's never a good idea to have to make so many special rules to get people to do something. Interdiction bubbles are a part of null/WH life. They are easy to avoid and even help an attacker (you know that hic is going no where when his bubble is up, so bring friends and you got a guaranteed kill.

Neither are dockable stations but hey there they are. Thera isn't your normal nul/WH friend. It's 3spooky5me.

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The solution to bubble camps is "kill the bubblers", not "ccp please don't let them bubble me". It took me 2 tries to get into Thera but I made it, and already Thera-Centric groups are forming. Just last night I joined a pick up anomaly farming group, i flew a Drake and though we got blobbed i made it out alive and with some loot.

I, too, always fly fit to kill a kitey bubbler and his friends. And I, too, bring the perfect fleet to counter what may be on the other side of a gate and/or hole in every situation.

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Thera is just like EVE in that it is (and only is) what you make of it.

Oi vey.

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