EVE General Discussion

Actually I'd already stated that they handled Incarna poorly. Focusing on WiS and the NEX to the detriment of FiS.

So now we're prepared to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I don't like it. Get rid of it. Abolish it. If a single cent of your revenue goes towards anything other than FiS I will be cross...

Extremism...

I don't like the idea of Dust. I've never owned a console and never will. Probably wouldn't bother with Dust even if they ported it to the PC. I'm not going to start calling for CCP to scrap it. I'm sure there's quite a few people who are interested in Dust. Just as there were a few people interested in WiS and to a lesser extent a cash shop.

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No. it allows you to purchase clothes with AUR — a completely unnecessary process that could be better handled through the actual market.
The industry that the creation of the NeX items could generate.
…which is not gameplay; it's just stuff without gameplay, and the content itself is completely separate from the NeX. it doesn't need the NeX to exist (but that's hardly surprising — nothing needs the NeX because the NeX doesn't serve any gameplay purpose).
Good thing I'm not doing that then — you are saying that trying to get rid of the NeX is akin to “throw[ing] the baby out with the bathwater” after all. You are the one saying that, if it's not going to the NeX, it's going to FiS. So yes, you are the one who's claiming that the NeX cannot be jettisoned on its own.
It doesn't have to be, no, but as long as it remains, it robs the game of gameplay, and that's a bad thing. It's also the only thing it does (what with having no actual purpose and all that). This makes the NeX bad — through and through. If they've abandoned it, it's a very very good thing, and the only thing that would be better would be its complete removal.

Which doesn't exist because of the NeX. But there was indeed threads about people looking forward to the many new industries that would be generated at the fringes of WiS — clothes being one of them. Before the NeX, the clothes did indeed exist; before the NeX, so did the industry. The NeX removed that gameplay content.
No. The addition of the content did. The NeX has nothing to do with it and is not needed for you to do what you want to do. It doesn't enable anything.
…aaaand you're doing it again. Stop thinking the NeX is tied to anything. It isn't. It has nothing to do with WiS. It has nothing to do with FiS. It has nothing to do with EVE at all — it serves no purpose and doesn't add anything. Removing it would have zero effect on the game. So yes, no matter how sorry it makes you, you are the one who's claiming that the NeX cannot be jettisoned on its own.
Yes: you. Because you are so fixated on thinking that two completely separate things are one and the same.
We haven't. You still don't understand what the NeX does: it does nothing. It adds nothing. It provides nothing. It serves no purpose. It only blocks gamplay from being added to the game. It is inherently a game-destroying thing. The NeX doesn't have to be removed in the same sense as CCP doesn't have to keep the servers open.

Would it be far better if the NeX was removed and the servers stayed open? Yes. The existence of the other alternative doesn't make it a good one. You think it does — thus we have not reached even the slightest bit of agreement.

I wouldn't be able to buy clothes for my alts. Is there currently another system of seeding clothing? No.


Sorry. I'll make this simple for you. THE NEX STORE CAN BE REMOVED. I just don't want it to be removed. I see no reason why it should be removed.


Yes. NEX is WIS and WIS is NEX. This is what I've been saying all along.


I'm the extreme one?

I remember CCP's own design promises for Incarna that described player industry in the stations where players would manufacture the content for avatars and establishments. The fact this promse was completely broken and we got NeX instead to reveal the pure cash shop vanity display case function of Incarna is not history.



And your gameplay here has been at the cost of many many thousands of other players who were robbed of gameplay through Incarna by the NeX shop. The history of Eve has been about corrections in the system and game mechanics in the interest of good gameplay for the majority.

It was once conisidered "good gameplay" by M0O corp to lag out the passari gate with so many cans that victim's clients went inactive when they jumped through. This was declared an exploit and they were stopped. That was their "gameplay" at the cost of other players. To be honest I see your "defense" of a horrible cash store in Eve because you personally like to load your alts with clothing purchased purely through the cash store as similar selfish monomania of your particular wierd schtick at the expense of others.

(whereas) I want every player to have an opportunity to manufacture and purchase those clothes through LP stores (or other mechanisms) to widen gameplay and involve people in the eve universe. I want to celebrate the player led economic sandbox which you appear to prefer to make a mockery of.



WIS and NEX are not intrisically linked. You can scrap NEX tomorrow and simply move the clothing to factional LP stores. This is not a great deal of work. And the immediate payoff is a better intergrated system that will still put clothes on the market for you to buy - if you want to buy these things in cash you can convert plex and do it. But the point is they will come from player activity in gameplay and eve as a whole will be the richer for it.



Then remove it. The problem with your "peaceful coexistence" argument is that many see NeX as a thief stealing our subs money and charging us for the content we should have had in the first place. You do not "coexist" with a thief, you catch him and escort him from your house to a waiting police van. NeX is the legacy of greed (clueless) "industry experts" who infilitrated CCP over the last couple of years and tried to convince the management (quite successfully) that Eve had to become more like every other mmo clone on the market and the lemmings jumping over the Free to Play cliff knew some great secret about the existence of life.

Problem is they didn't. Eve exists because its quite unique in the market and the players that subscribe to this game like it that way. It doesn't become more competitive by appealing to WoW-head exiles virtually drunk on sparkle ponies and epic mounts because frankly those people don't last more than 2 days into the trial before somebody scams/suicide ganks/ them into next week and they decide the game isn't for them.

Great. So do it. I might suggest an overhaul of the LP store interface while they're at it. Then once that exists the nex will serve no purpose and can fall by the wayside, or maybe CCP will use it to sell extraneous things like character re-customization, alliance logo redesigns, whatever.


I see the NEX as a means to an end. I wish to purchase clothing for my alts, the nex provides that service.

Just to clarify. I have no problem with the NEX in its current implementation. Obviously some do. They call for its removal because its an evil game destroying entity out to devour the old and weak. I like to purchase clothes and monocles either through the nex or market. If the Nex is removed the prices of these items will skyrocket. Once there is an industry in place to provide the same services as the Nex then it is redundant and then it can be removed. Until then I do not wish to see it removed. So instead of trying to convince me of how evil the Nex is, why don't you start convincing CCP to develop an alternate means of delivering these services.

You'll find it a lot easier to get someone to ditch a service if there is someone else able to supply that service.

…because the introduction of the NeX has blocked that gameplay content and threatens to block even more in the future.
Then the NeX can be removed since such a method has always existed. The reason the industry does not exist is the NeX: as long as it exists, it steals gameplay content from the game.
It doesn't exist because the NeX has blocked that gameplay content. How is this so insanely hard for you to understand?

Again: the NeX isn't needed because everything it does can be done through other means. While it exists, it keeps other gameplay from being implemented; removing the NeX would allow that gameplay to be put into the game, as originally conceptualised. The NeX does nothing but block gameplay content. Hell, the NeX is so efficient at blocking stuff that it even blocks NeX content! If you haven't noticed, there is far more such content in the game than is actually in the NeX, but the NeX itself (and its abject failure as a concept) keeps it from actually being seeded in the game.
It already serves no purpose other than to remove gameplay content, and none of the things you listed need the NeX either — just like clothes.
…and as a means to that end, the NeX is entirely superfluous and overly circuitous since it could be done far better (and far more interestingly) through other means. Again: there already is something else to supply the exact same service as the NeX — the market. Providing what you want can be done at the flip of a switch.

And the market is a bottomless bag of clothing that is not currently being supplied by the NEX. Yes player created clothing could be done far more interestingly. BPC's for high heels dropping from faction rats. Go out and kill in the name of Amarr and we'll reward you with a suit jacket for your loyalty. Fascinating. I'm sure some would consider this intriguing content driven gameplay. Whatever floats their boat.

Until then there is one and only one source of clothing and that is the NEX.

Fact.

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