Crime & Punishment

Do we also post the collected tears of griefers in this thread, too?

So this guy was can-baiting in Jouvulen, which is a rookie-system. I politely informed him that it was a against the rules to do so, and he replied with some colorful expletives. He raged for a while, and I have to admit maybe I was a little cruel toying with him, and eventually I just reported him for griefing. He got so mad that he actually left his Corp and formed his own in order to Dec me. I have used Dec Shield to avoid the war 6 times now. I might actually be upset if I played more than 8 hours a week...

Here's some highlights:

[ 2011.11.24 18:28:51 ] (CensoredGriefer) > Yeah. I'd like you to get more members in your corp. You are going to need them for the wardec thats coming.

*** Hours Later.... ***

[ 2011.11.24 21:47:15 ] (CensoredGriefer) > I win because you are a noob who couldn't handle an argument and blocking was the only way to achieve solitude. You are a year old noob and still in a starter system I don't care how little you play,
[ 2011.11.24 21:47:31 ] (CensoredGriefer) > If you are in space 24 hours from now, I'll collect your ******* corpse
[ 2011.11.24 21:47:34 ] (CensoredGriefer) > and add it to my collection;
[ 2011.11.24 21:47:58 ] (Me) > Cry about it some more. Kid. :)
[ 2011.11.24 21:47:58 ] (CensoredChatter) > He's turning desperate. Beautiful.
[ 2011.11.24 21:48:05 ] (CensoredChatter) > Wow he's raging hard.
[ 2011.11.24 21:48:06 ] (CensoredChatter) > clap clap clap clap
[ 2011.11.24 21:48:09 ] (CensoredChatter) > He's so mad.


[ 2011.11.24 21:50:28 ] (CensoredGriefer) > Just when you log in in a week, the wardec will still be there
[ 2011.11.24 21:50:46 ] (CensoredGriefer) > and if you undock, I'll own you.

The sentence in bold is particularly ironic because, not only is he a year and a half old, but he was can-baiting in a rookie system.

The italicized sentence is especially LULZY.

I promised I would collect this guys tears, so here's some of what I've accumulated:


Most Recent Dec:

Hi.
From: (Me)
Sent: 2011.12.14 05:02
To: (CensoredGriefer),

You're a slower learner, huh?

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Re: Hi.
From: (CensoredGriefer)
Sent: 2011.12.14 05:03
To: (Me),

Thought I forgot about you?
I can do this forever.

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Re: Re: Hi.
From: (Me)
Sent: 2011.12.14 05:03
To: (CensoredGriefer),

So can I. :)

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Re: Re: Re: Hi.
From: (CensoredGriefer)
Sent: 2011.12.14 05:05
To: (Me),

I'll catch one of you slipping eventually and when I do, I'll be putting your corpse with the rest of the collection. Just remember to be docked up in 24 hours. My corp is expanding. Someone will catch you. Cheers!

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Hi.
From: (Me)
Sent: 2011.12.14 05:06
To: (CensoredGriefer),

Such big talk from someone who hasn't been able to follow through on a single thing he said so far. :)

It's nice to know how badly I upset you. ;)

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hi.
From: (CensoredGriefer)
Sent: 2011.12.14 05:09
To: (Me),

I don't need to worry about your nonsense. I got 3 other wars getting ready to kick off. To be honest I'm not really worried about you. you will just be a target of opportunity. But its always nice to know that I am limiting your isk income. you can tell me you are using your alts and all that but in reality with two of your characters out of action for 48 hours is enough for me. I've already got your next dec in the cooker. It will be ready right about the time you surrender. Then once you drop out of dec shield +24 hours, it goes live again. I can live with that. I'll have plenty of action in the meantime. I hope its as fun for you as it will be for me. All I can say is keep them docked up. You never know when we might actually come looking for you.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hi.
From: (Me)
Sent: 2011.12.14 05:10
To: (CensoredGriefer),

You're sensitive, I understand that. Just keep the tears flowing, I add them to my collection. :)

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hi.
From: (CensoredGriefer)
Sent: 2011.12.14 05:14
To: (Me),

You can think I'm crying if you want. In reality, you reported me. Whatever your goal was, it failed. I don't really need to flip your can. I can just keep you dec'd. I'm happy that way. This being said you really don't have anything more to say to me. If you send me another mail you will only demonstrate to me that this whole dec situation is really bothering you. I love Psycology. Yeah, I got a bit of an education. With very little ease I have already kept you going. I'm willing to bet money that you can't leave this mail sit. You will have to send me one back so you can tell me how big of a douche I am and how I'm so pissed at you for reporting me and how I suck at life and whatever else you can think of. It is really irrelivent. The bottom line is I have you up a creek and you don't like it, and you can do nothing about it. Have a nice day and once again, keep it docked or it will be mine.

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hi.
From: (Me)
Sent: 2011.12.14 05:15
To: (CensoredGriefer),

You're so frustrated, look at you go! :)


****
It was really downhill after he started trying to use LE PSYKOLOGIE.

If there's one thing I've learned about EVE Online, it's that a lot of players have very sensitive egos and are very melodramatic and corny. This guy constantly sends me "threatening" messages but I can't help but laugh when he does.

Does this make me an evil person?

I wouldn't be surprised if Vegas is (CensoredGriefer)'s alt, venting his frustrating in this thread. I wasn't sure if we could post pilot names, so I decided to censor him just in case (can never tell, CCP seems a bit fickle about their rules and enforcement thereof).

(CensoredGriefer) is obsessed with the idea of "winning". Everything you say or do, he'll say he "wins" because of that. Obviously winning is very important to this guy, and the premise of "winning" is constantly shifting to new criterion. This is probably why he was can-baiting in a rookie system, and declares war on month old characters. All PSYKOLOGIE aside, I sense a deeply rooted sense of inferiority in this individual.

(CensoredGriefer) also likes to brag about how awesome his life is.

[ 2011.11.24 21:51:09 ] (CensoredChatter) > your life must really suck
[ 2011.11.24 21:51:12 ] (CensoredGriefer) > lol.
[ 2011.11.24 21:51:16 ] (CensoredGriefer) > no. my life is awesome.
[ 2011.11.24 21:51:33 ] (CensoredGriefer) > My killbooards have been rocking these last few days.
[ 2011.11.24 21:51:54 ] (CensoredChatter) > keep telling yourself that all of see something else.....A LOSER


INB4 "I win because you posted on the forums."

You are an idiot because your previous post didn't say this, all it said was decing Dec Shield, not what you just said.

Besides you can't shoot the main holding corps of Dec Shield since they never undock, and the people who join the alliance, leave right away, so you can't shoot them.

You are pussy station camping carebear, you should come out to lowsec like a real man and i'll show you the way to win in pvp.

You are a stupid monkey and you like look one too.

Who released you from the zoo you ugly creature.

Oh and thanks for the 300 million you gave me :) I hope you enjoy your Megathron (Navy Issue).

Your post on local was hilarious and you threatened to war dec me even though there is no way you can.

That's not quite how it works. When a corp leaves an alliance, all incoming wars are extended to the corp for 24 hours. We had a contract target join dec shield and then leave, and got quite a few kills on unrelated targets of opportunity that joined dec shield and immediately left to shed their decs during the 24 cooldown period.

Honestly though, if you ask me, the whole war dec thing right now is just completely ******. IMO corps should be exempt from war decs (both incoming and outgoing) since corps are basically immune now anyway. Alliances are political entities that can hold sov, among other things, so should be war eligible. If corps were immune it would give people who want to avoid war a way to do so, so then they could change alliance dec costs so that an alliance's incoming wars don't increase an aggressor's cost, just the aggressor's outgoing wars.

I know some people will say "corps should never be immune rawr!!!" but if you think about it, they already are. The only problem I see with this is that there's no way to clean up abandoned POSes in high-sec, but I'm sure a simple change to how anchored POSes in high-sec work could rectify this. Maybe make it so they're scoopable after 30 days w/o charters in high-sec or something. I don't know.

My 2 cents. Carry on.

Hmmm, yeah- It would be interesting to see CCP's response to a corp joining the dec shield alliance to save a reinforced tower (which was before, an exploit).

I love this thread. I've never seen so many tears over something so stupid.

Creator of this alliance, I salute you!

That's all fine and dandy in theory, but niche games seem to be actually doing much better than mainstream games in the MMO arena, as far as growth curves are conserned and EVE has had one of the best growth curve of any MMO ever made. The only major dip was caused precisely because CCP stopped developing that niche their players came here for in the first place. So there doesn't seem to be any large lack of new players joining the game. The 6 month turnover rate is longer than some of the main stream competition have stayed in business and isn't really informative, since you aren't providing comparison values from other MMOs. That 6 months seems a good number when compared to this news article and combined with the plummeting sub numbers of WoW. If anything it shows it's not about being niche or mainstream, but your ability to provide new interesting content and gameplay, that keeps the game attractive.

I also don't see how a broken wardec system makes the game more fun for new players and why you paint this exclusively a veteran issue. You seem to assume, that new players can't be the ones utilizing wardecs to engage other players and need to be shielded from all aggression as much as possible. Not to mention the NPC corp immunity already protects noobs and people who want to avoid unwanted aggression. To me this seems a clear case of the system simply being broken and people using the loopholes trying to throw in the "won't someone please think of the childred" -excuse in an effort to keep it broken. A new working wardec system seems more fair, balanced and fun to me, than the current broken piece of crap, that can be manipulated to be largely ineffectual.

Your adapt or die comments are also somewhat misused, since the point is that you can't adapt to the changes. You can only keep banging your head against the wall or try to get CCP to look at the system and fix it. The old system wasn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but the current one is worse. It's starting to increasingly resemble the bounty system, in that it relies on the recieving side of the wardec to be a good sport about it to work at all. That negates the entire point of a war in many cases and makes serious disrupting of corp operations and POSes impossible. You can debate what the correct cost and risk should be in the system for it to be balanced, but immunity should not be allowed for player corporations.

All this CCP is a business and won't someone please think of the noobs -talk is largely besides the point though. The system didn't work that well before and works even worse now. The point is the system is broken to the point of being useless and needs to be fixed. The debate should focus on how the new system should be implemented and balanced, so it wouldn't suffer from the same problems the old system suffered and offered new options for both the aggressors and the defenders to manage wardecs. That discussion can take in to account CCPs corporate needs and newbies, but trying to justify retaining a broken system using the same reasons isn't acceptable. It's not a matter of to fix or not to fix, but how to fix it.

Okay, it's true I didn't offer comparison values. However, you are comparing the wrong values in a misleading fashion. I'm going to be patient and assume you did that by accident. You are comparing WoW trials to EVE subs. You can't actually do that. Allow me to clarify for you:

EVE has 20,000 trials per month, yet EVE is growing only very slowly. I mentioned that MMOs are notoriously hemorrhagic? The first article you post states that 70% of the people on WoW trials never make it past level 10: Hm, that seems to corroborate my previous statements: Most people who try a game don't play that game (as far as MMO are concerned).

Now, I hate to talk about WoW, but let's face the facts: After a 6 year run being the biggest, most popular MMO on the market (8 million subs? 10 million subs? 11.5 million subs?), it's no surprise that they're starting to lose some of that popularity and momentum. They seem to have bled their market dry, as I mentioned earlier, and as I mentioned earlier, MMOs are notoriously hemorrhagic. All your links have done is corroborate the statements I made earlier. You would have been better off not posting them.

But WoW does serve as a great example. Love the game or hate the game, the game was successful. And it was successful because of growth.



I never said it did. Actually I never even mentioned WarDecs in my post. I said changes like these. These changes make the game more "beginner friendly" - for beginning players or beginning Corps. And I do see it as a "veteran" issue because any small change in the game, especially a change that makes the game more player friendly, and there's tons of tears on the forums from bitter vets. And I do know they are vets because I check employment histories and a lot of those tears are from players dating back before 2008.

The WarDec system was broken before in that it allowed griefers to exploit it and deny other players the ability to play the game.

Now people are saying it's broken for exactly the above reason.

Gimme a break.



Because NPC Corps are so fun right?

(Hint: Fun keeps people playing a game.)



Only being able to have your tower up and mining operations running a couple days a week is not a serious disruption? Erm...? Seems to me like a major disruption. Seems to me that things are....

Working as intended.

I haven't been around too long but I assume Socratic has spent the entire 7 years he's been playing in Arnon.

At first I thought he was a very clever troll but then I realized he was actually serious...and then I was like...no way...he's been playing for 7 years and spends all his time trolling a rookie system...and then again...I realized he was totally serious.

I was actually surprised he doesn't post on the forums but I realized brand new players starting the SoE arc must be the only people he can attempt to lord his playtime over and his claims of being in Mensa and being one of the top 0.00000001% smartest people in the world.

So to answer your question, yes...everytime I'm in Arnon he is there in local. The system is actually starting to get cluttered with containers making fun of him.

If you see him...please...won't you fleet him?

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We can/will still suicide gank you (CCP made it cheaper and stuff).