EVE New Citizens Q&A

In nullsec, as part of one of the larger coalitions, I'd be suprised if I went more then 3 days without using my archon on a pvp op. In wormhole space, I'm using her on a semi daily basis, usually for running sites, but I have done 5 triage pvp carrier ops this month alone. You get far more milage out of an archon in a bigger nullsec/wormhole group for pvp of course, but my point wasn't "Train carrier, it's teh bestest!" and more "if you're serious you wanna fly it, here's some reasonable steps to take that will leave you with lots of other handy useful skills/ships to fly on your way to it"

You, on the other hand, gave off a "Don't even think about it" vibe from the get go and then throwing some pretty obscure 'stats' about my carrier usage from the air, which is neither helpful, truthful, or informative. Just because you think it's handy for newbies to not wanna dive straight off into capitals doesn't mean we shouldn't provide them with reasonable plans to slowly skill towards them as well as inform them what they're used for.

On top of that, in no way did I recommend "skill straight to carrier" and instead emphasised skilling ships that perform similar roles to see if he enjoys them. There is nothing wrong with having a reasonable 'end game' goal.

Nothing wrong with buying ships just to leave in your hanger and admire, as long as you are happy doing so. I have a pile that I'll never fly, that wasn't why I bought them.

Just don't rush into anything and do your research before committing to a goal, lots and lots of material is available and make sure that you know what the point and use of something is before you invest too much time/ISK on it.

In EVE ships are tools, they have a purpose. You wouldn't buy an industrial to run missions with (usually), you wouldn't buy a battleship to move cargo, etc, etc. There's no 'end game ship' that does everything.



Don't mind the bitter vets.

This forum is (mostly) troll free. Elsewhere however, take all replies with a pinch of salt, like with most things in EVE, there may be ulterior motives in play.

The logistics skills will start the same for all, and it's not a week-long train for the top-end. For incursions you're looking at the Tech-2 logistics cruisers (Guardian, Onieros, Basilisk, Scimitar) at near-max skills and max support skills.
Small gang pvp may take frigate logistics or the T1 logistics cruisers, or may not. It'll depend on the group.

If you want to pvp, get out there and pvp and find a good group. I'll suggest factional warfare as a good place to start. Start small, start cheap, start with dps. Once you find a good corp, they should love you for wanting to be a logi pilot (if they don't, it may not be such a good corp )

Interesting night tonight. I think I got really lucky, found a Dread Gurista rat at an asteroid belt tonight, it dropped a worm blue print and some dread gurista small missiles. First time I have seen a blue print drop, so guessing that is not very common?

I looked up the ship and from what I see, it is both a drone and missile ship so I decided to buy the minerals and start manufacturing it. I can only use 3 drones right now but with the % to drone damage guessing this ship will far surpass my Trist that I am currently in.

Stuff like this makes me excited. Wish drops like that were more common, but then again if they were then it would not be as exciting.

I downloaded that evemon program tonight and kind of experimented around, set up a goal for a cruiser with tier 2 drones and weapons and tanking gear that will put me about 40 days of training away. That program is really useful in that regard, letting you set up a goal and head towards it. Though it does not help you decide what career path you want to take lol.

Still trying to decide if I want to stay in high sec and do missions or work towards incursions, or if I want to try to do wormholes.
I don't think I want to go to 0.0 yet with my low skills I might be good for bait or something but I doubt that will keep me in isk to buy shiny new ships, not to mention what do you do when you cant handle the rats and no one else is available to go out and pvp... I just don't want to get out there and be stuck sitting in a station waiting for skills to be able to handle the rats out there during pvp down time.

Edit: I am still planning on going logistics route, but I figured I needed to make some isk to be able to buy the ships and equipment to be able to support a logistics ships, which means get in a cruiser and at least try to start running higher missions to get some cash flow going.

As a new bro that doesn't really know what he's doing, I wouldn't recommend flying a Worm. Pirate ship blueprint copies (BPCs) are rare. At this level, you'd be much better off selling said Worm and buying a whole lot of cheaper ships to try. You won't have the skills to make the most of the Worm yet, and they're worth 50+ million isk (haven't checked exact prices nowadays, but I'm guessing its still up there). This is probably a significant chunk for a new bro, and at your skill level, a 1M isk T1 frigate or destroyer would probably perform just as well.

Destroyers are good for low end PVE, as they have a ton of turrets/launchers and a tracking bonus, which helps a lot in offsetting low skills. They're squishy, but against frigs in low level anoms/missions they will wreck stuff. If you want to get your feet wet with drones, the gallente Tristan frigate is great, but not sure how well it works with low skills.

The Algos is a drone destroyer, and is also pretty cheap.

Would you really recommend selling the Worm? I looked it up on market before work and it's like 100 million price, but with my crap skills I had 40 dps in the tristan, shifted drones to the Worm and they alone were at 68 dps and with missiles up over 100 dps. I ran a quick level 1 mission the drones would kill the rats before I could target or fire a shot.

For what I am doing right now the Worm seems like overkill actually, but guessing it's a ship I can grow into and easily do level 2 missions in as well. Plus I earned the kill and built it myself, I like the self reliance of taking out that ship and saying I did that.

I am trying right now whether to skill toward the miny or Caldari logi cruiser, I find I don't like seeing any of the 3 bars in the red so rather do shield logistics so no red bars. I understand that Caldari requires a team mate, and mine can run solo but is susceptible to neuts breaking your capacitor any advice on that?

Whilst this statement is correct the following statement from the same person is misleading and indeed has been misunderstood by the OP:


You don't get better hits by being somewhere between optimal and optimal + falloff by default. In a particular instance, the tracking penalties can outweigh the range penalties. But generally speaking you should aim to be at or under optimal range. If you are then experiencing tracking problems, you need to slow your speed or manually pilot your ship so that instead of orbiting you are alternating approaching/flying away from the target. Possibly at a slight angle to give the enemy some tracking issue of their own - particularly for bigger targets with bigger tracking issues than you.

It is all a compromise, you have got to hit the sweet spot between a traversal speed which your guns can track under, a base speed that you can mitigate incoming damage and a range that you can hit from while maximizing the difficulties for the other party. There are so many variables too, size of ships involved, speeds, type of prop mods (MWD bloom the sig radius for example), type of weapons are a big one too. Projectile weapons have a huge falloff and for quite some distance in, you will see little difference between the damage dealt at optimal. So if you are suffering tracking issue it may well be better to fight outside of optimal. Blasters on the other hand have a pathetic falloff and you should always en-devour to fight well within optimal with them and usually deal with tracking issues by head down charge directly at enemy or slow down, even come to a dead stop and burn them down.

In the early days, missiles are often a better choice, especially for NPCs where you can sit out at range and not have to compete with other players to apply your DPS or see your enemy warp off. But as your skills ramp up (both SP and general experience) you get a better improvement with guns and when you come to PvP, you generally need to come in closer to your target in order to keep tackle on, negating one of the big advantages of missiles (applied DPS at range).

With regard to the Worm, I can get something like 400 dps out of my Worm with a pair of Augmented Hobgoblins and rockets. Thus 68 DPS seems a waste of an expensive ship, hence why one of the above suggested selling it and using the cash to purchase cheaper ships. However, it's your ship, if you want to continue using it, go for it. I wouldn't blame you given how you came by it, but I would suggest using it for PvE in high sec only. Start PvPing in something cheaper and expect to die horribly initially. The only issue with that though is that you will become used to the DPS of the Worm and then it will seem like a backward step to go to something cheaper to learn to PvP.

Tonight when I get home from work I plan on getting Amazon

It seems to come with a plex the 30 days game time plus a variety of ships and skill books, even some battleships too. Seems worthwhile to me.

I guess I will sell the plex and use that to fund my training up to logistics ships, plus I can do some exploration (I finally figured exploration out and it was pretty fun) and pvp in the ships provided in the pack.

Being that the plex would give me funds to buy almost unlimited frigate and destroyers, I think I will hold on to the Worm for now as a souvenir of sorts.

I guess now that I am going to be official I need to try to decide whether I am going High/WH/null for living and start looking for a corp of people to heal. (still have yet to try out logi as of yet other than that one tutorial mission)

Thank you guys again for all the help and advice. I do appreciate you taking the time.

If any of you need a noob logi pilot feel free to hit me up!

ahh did not realize the rest of the stuff was worth so little overall. Thank you for explaining that, will just do normal subscription then tonight instead... either way tomorrow I join the ranks of having a real pilots license for EVE.

If your intending to do drones longterm get a Vexor and after the career missions run the SOE beginner arc "Blood Stained Stars".

After you outgrow the Vexor there is a wide variety of Drone ships to choose from but popular choices include the Navy Vexor, Prophecy, Ishtar, Gila, Worm, Dominix and eventually Rattlesnake. There is unfortunately no Drone Marauder.