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Dev blog: Download on Demand client for EVE Online

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CCP Maxwell
C C P
C C P Alliance
#61 - 2014-12-16 17:49:09 UTC
KIller Wabbit wrote:
CCP Snorlax wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
so whats the point of this exactly? .. will it speed things up or down?

The goal is that you won't notice any difference when playing the game.

The primary driver for this change is to get people into the game quicker – both new players, downloading a trial for the first time and existing players patching after major updates.

There is less to download before you can enter the game, and the game itself will download the rest as it needs it.



There's going to be a marketing challenge to make sure that new players don't go WTF??????? when they start up and don't see epic graphics right off the bat. Like huge, flashing red letters or something in the download ui.



Let's just say that we do not expect that to be the case.

CCP Maxwell - QA Engineer - Team RnB
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
#62 - 2014-12-16 17:51:26 UTC
CCP Snorlax wrote:
Harvey James wrote:
so whats the point of this exactly? .. will it speed things up or down?

The goal is that you won't notice any difference when playing the game.

The primary driver for this change is to get people into the game quicker – both new players, downloading a trial for the first time and existing players patching after major updates.

There is less to download before you can enter the game, and the game itself will download the rest as it needs it.


I imagine this may make a time saving for new players downloading the client for the first time. But for existing players I think the recent new release on Tuesday 9th December only took a few minutes at most for me personally in the UK. I would imagine downloading 'stuff' just before you need to use it will slow down gameplay or cause lag. I'm wondering if this falls under the 'fixing something that isn't broken' category. ? Someone also mentioned audio. 'EVE has sound?' Sorry. Oops

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KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#63 - 2014-12-16 17:51:49 UTC
Will the server side be able to prioritize initial download requests over back end filler requests?

All of this sounds great btw - and if this is the first software loading scheme implementing this patent the hell out of it now! Gamers that are accustomed to 5+ GB initial downloads will be blown away.
Alexis Nightwish
#64 - 2014-12-16 17:53:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Alexis Nightwish
Will the option still remain for those of us who want to download the full game? I did not like this system in GW1, and I will hate it in EVE if it's forced on me as I do not want any additional load time when changing systems in a PvP game famous for its ganking and camps.


EDIT: Nevermind. Seems you guys are being superbros about it and letting us force a full download. :)

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CCP Maxwell
C C P
C C P Alliance
#65 - 2014-12-16 17:54:32 UTC
By the way, I really would encourage you to download the installer and point it to Duality and try this out. Try it and tell us what you think.

CCP Maxwell - QA Engineer - Team RnB
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#66 - 2014-12-16 18:03:04 UTC
well there's about a hundred gigs saved... I'll have room on my SSDs again

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KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#67 - 2014-12-16 18:05:18 UTC
Sigh.. Your instructions blew away my tranquility desktop icon. lol
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#68 - 2014-12-16 18:06:14 UTC
CCP Snorlax wrote:
Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote:
Will we get an option to force the full download so we don't have to rely on any streaming of data on demand as you can bet it will try to download something just as you are about to blow something up?

Yes.

If we use the full download will it still maintain the SharedCache set up for faster loading of multiple clients?
YuIia
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2014-12-16 18:07:52 UTC
Can't you devs work on actual game play features? You know this is a game right?

Or are you only skilled enough to program a launcher and not actual game features?

If you guys keep working on stuff like this and UI that nobody wanted or cares about instead of features that can make the game more fun and a better experence you will never get the player count that I use to see in 2010. I remember 50k+ online quite often and never see that now. Teams working on useless stuff like this are the reason people loose faith and unsub.
Lil' Brudder Too
Pistols for Pandas
#70 - 2014-12-16 18:08:14 UTC
Sooo, what if i have a slow connection and undock...will it not actually spit me out into space until i fully DL everything? Or will i be spit out before i can even see anything...and subsequently get blown up by stuff i can't register on my side because i don't have the assets DL'd...

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KIller Wabbit
MEME Thoughts
#71 - 2014-12-16 18:09:52 UTC
Can you get a current mirror of accounts onto duality? Resubbed recently.
I Love Boobies
All Hail Boobies
#72 - 2014-12-16 18:10:02 UTC
I can picture people with rare, seldom seen ships taking advantage of this. I mean, if people don't have the ship cached, and then someone jumps in with a slower connection, they might be sitting ducks. Dunno if that would actually happen or if it's even possible, but it was the first thing that came to mind.
Nam Dnilb
Universal Frog
#73 - 2014-12-16 18:14:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Nam Dnilb
So, what kind of download bandwidth are you expecting from the clients for good performance? I mean using Eve Probe, which relies on a similar model of grabbing its resources, was awful on my admittedly slow connection. You must have a baseline set in your specs, what is it?

Will there be an option for "Sync everything now", so that peeps like me can leave it running over night?

Answered in the Dev blog itself, seems I am skimming not reading. Straight
YuIia
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#74 - 2014-12-16 18:17:57 UTC  |  Edited by: YuIia
Make the option to log out to character select before working this. Or is the dev team working on this only capable of simplest of tasks? If so CCP needs to start hiring competent programmers that can make changes we care about.
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
#75 - 2014-12-16 18:19:23 UTC
CCP Maxwell wrote:
By the way, I really would encourage you to download the installer and point it to Duality and try this out. Try it and tell us what you think.

In its current state? No way. I don't have a spare system installation to waste.

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Liner Xiandra
Sparks Inc
#76 - 2014-12-16 18:19:31 UTC
CCP Snorlax wrote:
Rainus Max wrote:
Is this a step towards those HD textures mentioned a while back or have you stuffed that in the 'shiny but never' pile?

Let's just say that this gives us a way to implement that feature.



This should be printed in big, friendly letters in the devblog.
Tonto Auri
Vhero' Multipurpose Corp
#77 - 2014-12-16 18:20:09 UTC
YuIia wrote:
Make the option to log out to character select before working this. Or is the dev team working on this only capable of simplest of tasks? If so CCP needs to start hiring competent programmers that can make changes we care about.

Why? I see this as a reoccuring theme, but never I had the need to do it myself.

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YuIia
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2014-12-16 18:22:29 UTC
Tonto Auri wrote:
YuIia wrote:
Make the option to log out to character select before working this. Or is the dev team working on this only capable of simplest of tasks? If so CCP needs to start hiring competent programmers that can make changes we care about.

Why? I see this as a reoccuring theme, but never I had the need to do it myself.


Having the client shut down and open back up instead of going right to the character screen is simply lazy coding, and wastes my time almost every time I play eve. I shouldn't have to spend extra time to change characters because CCP can't hire programmers that can code properly.
typhoon Rinah
Heavily Redacted
Sky Daddy Ranch
#79 - 2014-12-16 18:29:22 UTC
If this mean that one day we will have no down time I'm all for it. I'ed love to get my Aussie time zone back Big smile
Lil' Brudder Too
Pistols for Pandas
#80 - 2014-12-16 18:31:08 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
well there's about a hundred gigs saved... I'll have room on my SSDs again

How so...i run all my multiple accounts from the same install, and have since i started...never ever had a problem. This change will save me exactly zero memory as before. Unless they are changing the system to force multiple accounts to use multiple installs...which seems backwards to me.

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