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Mining Zydrine Morphite Nocxium Megacyte prodution..

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LiquidDreams
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-12-16 09:12:38 UTC
hi i am actually very disappointed CPP do not take this seriously with mining and the way the balance is put together.
as it looks now as if mines high end ore then the energies wasted your time is not worth what you mines because the price of the ore / refine do not hang same as it looks now ..

Freiger an jumpfreigters capital should cost much more -> Zydrine Morphite Nocxium Megacyte, it may pay to train the skills to say it easily be mine but when you live alone or are in 00 low but takes no account of the head we are exposed constantly losing our ships not only that if we lose a hulk one mack so we have to work seven times harder to earn isk to buy a ship compared to people who ratter or doing misioner we are all forced to sit looking at our computer monitor whole time because we are exposed to ganker all the time so it we do not do something does not fit.

and when training months to come in the high end, we should also be rewarded and it is the head not the case we will be punished with lousy amounts of time we need and profits vs everyone else is so bad it's a shame to spend his time on the train to be mine when it not be more in balance with what you get in vs. what others might farms for a fraction of your time ..

so I think serious CPP must take and look at what it will cost to framstille Freiger an jumpfreigters and add far more Zydrine Morphite Nocxium Megacyte to produtioner of the large ships such as battleships, etc. so that we can sell so it can run on a sensible way ..

I am disappointed that you have to pay 200 mil for Hulk when a covetor it does the same work with such a small% of difference in take and provide fix it here because the% is a waste of both time and money when you are an idiot if you buy a hulk when the percentage share is so small and your losses if you lose your ship is so big .. there must be a 5% 20% difference between the two ships they can mine in and not for the worse thanks for it failed already in a bad way ...

so if it is to be resolved in need to change Blueprints so highend ships cost more Zydrine Morphite Nocxium Megacyte and it may be more profitable for us actually take the chance and have spent so many days on the train that it pays for us .. and one last thing that's here too bad sample train to Mercoxit when m3 is too small and a waste of effort,



mvh
Liquid
FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#2 - 2014-12-16 09:19:13 UTC
Cant tell if trolling or just horribad at english...

You are aware CCP doesnt decide what a hulk costs beyond the blueprint ingredients right? Thats a guy in jita selling them for a number, not some overarching conspiracy... And I dont know about you but Hulks are stll the undisputed gods of mining in bulk...
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2014-12-16 10:00:07 UTC
I have absolutely no idea about what you're trying to say...
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#4 - 2014-12-16 10:05:42 UTC
Please proof-read and fix the formatting so we may pass judgement on the content without the pain of trying to english the un-englishable first.

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And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp

Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#5 - 2014-12-16 12:01:43 UTC
LiquidDreams wrote:
hi i am actually very disappointed CPP do not take this seriously with mining and the way the balance is put together.


I'm guessing that you're upset that mining Ark and shipping it back to Jita for sale is not worth more...
The problem then is not the balance of minerals used but the balance of minerals being shipped to Jita to be sold - which is in turn due to the number of pilots blindly mining Ark.
Try one of the "Super-Veld" ores and establish a local supply chain instead.

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I am disappointed that you have to pay 200 mil for Hulk when a covetor it does the same work with such a small% of difference in take and provide fix it here because the% is a waste of both time and money when you are an idiot if you buy a hulk when the percentage share is so small and your losses if you lose your ship is so big .. there must be a 5% 20% difference between the two ships they can mine in and not for the worse thanks for it failed already in a bad way ...


The choice to use a Covetor instead is fine - the difference between the two ships should be small enough that this is possible... indeed it should be small enough that it is not always obvious.
This is a general theme of EVE, small improvements in result should come from large changes in cost, training and so forth. It is not a game where your "Battle Regeneration" on your level 100 should mean that level 10s cannot even break you in your sleep...
Tahnil
Gunboat Commando
#6 - 2014-12-16 12:08:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tahnil
@OP: Adapt or die.

Right now you should be mining Mercoxit or at least Hedbergite / Gneiss / etc. Heck, mine almost anything but Arkonor, it's not that hard.
Damjan Fox
Fox Industries and Exploration
#7 - 2014-12-16 22:55:35 UTC
You really should go see a doctor. Something wrong with your neck. Shocked
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#8 - 2014-12-16 23:16:42 UTC
Tahnil wrote:
@OP: Adapt or die.

Right now you should be mining Mercoxit or at least Hedbergite / Gneiss / etc. Heck, mine almost anything but Arkonor, it's not that hard.

That would require them to actually warp to a belt, not an anom. Something all the (out of date) guides tell them is suicide.
Discomanco
We pooped on your lawn
#9 - 2014-12-16 23:56:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Discomanco
If anything needs to be added to ship manufacturing (you REALLY miss this word), it's Isogen.
In my 3 years of playing Omber has always been the bottom of the bottom to mine due to the huge quantity of Isogen it provides, but it's not needed in that huge quantities anywhere, so the price of Omber is hell low.

Nocxium: Can be found in highsec in low quantities, low/null in higher quantities.
Zydrine: Low/Nullsec only, have quite a high demand because not that many go for Hemor/Hedb/Jaspet.
Megacyte: Everyone thinks that the ABC ores are best, because obviously they are nullsec ores, so the prices drop.
Morphite: Still the top of the top ISK/M3 wise.

Adapt to the market, or get left behind

If I missed the point of OP, then I blame OP because that was hard a hell to understand.
Ratchet Conway
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-12-17 04:26:39 UTC
I join the rest of the respondents here when I say your problem is with the market structure and not CCP. If you can convince other miners not to sell their ore for a quick buck at 20-40% below market, and drive prices up in an anti-trust kinda way, then that will fix your problem.

Mining is too easy to do to make money on without spending about 4 weeks training mining/reprocessing skills as well as pushing your corp standing up with whomever you are refining with. --Outside the option of actually hatching your own POS.



Keep training your reprocessing and pushing your standings up in your refinery. Get the implant for refining as well. When your efficiency get's over 60%, you'll finally see some real profit.
LiquidDreams
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-12-18 19:57:44 UTC
I'm talking about ships in the high end of scalaen costing too little high than more rather than low end and high end of the price of ore so does not pay to train because profit and time is a waste of one's time.
we're talking about you can not afk mine as that believes you can in 00 we have to sit and look at the local all the time for not being Ganket and compared to only just ratte in belt carriers or low emissions we are incredibly bad paid for the time we have used the train to my high end ore,

no doubt strip mines should be 10% faster to my equally with ice ming t2 / gasming
and it is not iceminer I only ice I can make 35 mil per hour clean ore am I doing ore site we are not around to get it to run around in a sensible way.
it surely can not be really one must ha 2-3 acout to mine with just one can achieve the same as the other player can do on ratte or low missions.
Paranoid Loyd
#12 - 2014-12-18 20:00:24 UTC
And this folks is why shooting too many rocks is bad, m'kay.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!

Gunrunner1775
Empire Hooligans
#13 - 2014-12-18 20:04:40 UTC
im an industrialist.. i make ships... lots and lots of ships.. bulk produce everything between frigates and cruisers (on occasion for special orders i do battlecruisers and battleships)

my bottleneck.. has always been pyrite... none of the "low sec" minerals... i find that every other mineing run i do im lookin for scordite or anything else with pyrite in it
LiquidDreams
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-12-18 20:23:36 UTC
When you look at Strip mines 1 and 2, so the difference is so small that it often pays to mine with strip mines 1 on highend ore it ought alone will not be possible to mine with strip mines 1 in relation to the strip mines 2 on the highend ore it would precisely be a chance that we get an advance team of mines and those who just can not coach gotta nor could just throw a strip mine 1 and mine croket ore as it is a high end ore but what you get out of a stip mines 1 vs a trip mines 2 is so small a difference to only save the crystaller would pay off.

but isogenic or other ore refine then Charon and other advanced ships cost more highend ore rather low end as the primate is.
I feel that I would love to have my wasted skill to back because I do not feel there is a decent balance between work and income when it comes to how much time you've spent on training for the skills.

to ships so should one hulk to be tech 2 mine more than it does now compared to covetor there should be a noticeable difference between the two ships and it is not currently.

clearly believes that recyling hour on stripminers 2 be down by 10% compared with the strip mines 1

reputaion

reputaion and tax so I can not see how a decent mines can get decently reputaion in a station and get something out of her refine the mines missions are slow takes a war just get through because you can get a decent reputaion with a station remember we not doing misson runners as security we are miners so there must be a better way to intercessor same reputaion when mines.

it is not empty hernia is simplehen because the difference is too large compared to what other player can get out of less skills with better outcome.
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2014-12-18 20:45:48 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
And this folks is why shooting too many rocks is bad, m'kay.

Not empty quoting.