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Industry Team Auction Sniping Changes

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Dangeresque Too
Pistols for Pandas
#1 - 2014-11-20 04:24:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Dangeresque Too
I have searched the forums but couldn't find anything from CCP with regards to feedback about the Industry Teams Sniping mechanic they released. (aka Team Auctions) *updated to clarify for people that can't read apparently think this is for contract item auctions*

The current team auction system is terribad, not even an auction really, if you happen to be the current auction leader, the mechanic is such that you are nearly expected to try to snipe your own bid at the last second even if you are winning. Then it just becomes a guessing game of blindly throwing money at the auction when you have no idea how much money the other people trying to snipe the auction are bidding.

And mostly because this just happened to me, I was even doing my due diligence and staying up a few minutes late to make sure I won the industry team auction. Refreshed the screen with like a couple sec to go, nothing changes, auction ends and the email says I lost... but the screen was just showing I was winning. Next time I will take a screenshot at the 1s mark. I know, I made the classic mistake of assuming this was an "auction" and actually bidding on it instead of just waiting and playing the snipe game.

This team auction system is a mess and needs to be changed. Add a timer to the auction after the last bid so that the system can show everyone else interested that they just are no longer winning and have a chance to respond, instead of the screen showing they are winning until they see the email saying they lost instead. Or since the snipe game is just a very shortened private/sealed silent auction then just make it full out silent sealed auction. Either solution would be better than what is currently in place. This has come up in real life countless times, it is not a new issue, and by no means a new solution. Implementing this with the design flaw that allows/encourages sniping is a mark of either bad QA, inattentiveness to requested feedback, or complete lack of regard for feedback even after release.

But please get this fixed.

Also: we need a true "max bid" value put in, so we can tell the system to put a bid in, and auto bid any other bids on that team until X amount, you know, like every other auction system in existence today.
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#2 - 2014-11-20 15:58:15 UTC
take it you dont do ebay auctions? its just as bad there with sniping just before it ends.
also the the pings dont hit all computers at once because when someone jumps through a gate or undocks/docks i cant insta lock them meanwhile if i do the same i get instalocked between a cloak dropping as my ship is towed into station

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

Dangeresque Too
Pistols for Pandas
#3 - 2014-11-20 16:03:35 UTC
If you want to say this is exactly like ebay, well its not. Ebay has a max bid feature, this doesn't. The max bid feature helps prevent those last minute snipes as if you try to just penny war the last bid at the last millisecond but the other guy's max bid is infact much higher than the current highest bid, you still lose.

Good try though, but please do some more homework. And server ticks aren't in question here, the foundation of the auction system is, please stay on topic.
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#4 - 2014-11-20 19:09:42 UTC
That's because people would go in debt bidding on an item or someone would over inflate the item

Only bid on auctions with a buy out so if you feel you can't win the bid, then buy it out or just buy from the market

Or adapt to the eve mantra
Not every little thing needs changin

"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith

Dangeresque Too
Pistols for Pandas
#5 - 2014-11-20 23:39:59 UTC
You talking about talking about industry team auctions or item contract auctions?

Pretty sure the first sentence of the original post says Team Auctions... but your last post about inflating item pricing? And you can't go into debt in eve, the system protects against it unfortunately (well you can if you are bad and CCP takes away your iskies).

And team auctions don't have a buy out, so again, please follow the good old eve mantra and read and do your homework.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#6 - 2014-11-21 10:29:37 UTC
Dangeresque Too wrote:
If you want to say this is exactly like ebay, well its not. Ebay has a max bid feature, this doesn't.
Anyone with any sense does not use that and still does that last second bid anyway. I was stung once using the max bid feature, never again. In Eve many would bid up their own item as they do on Ebay, so bad idea.

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Dangeresque Too
Pistols for Pandas
#7 - 2014-11-21 13:58:31 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Dangeresque Too wrote:
If you want to say this is exactly like ebay, well its not. Ebay has a max bid feature, this doesn't.
Anyone with any sense does not use that and still does that last second bid anyway. I was stung once using the max bid feature, never again. In Eve many would bid up their own item as they do on Ebay, so bad idea.

Maybe you didn't read either.... "bid up their own item"? Why exactly would you do that on an Industry Team Auction?

So I'll say it again, this is for the Industry Team Auctions, not item contract auctions.
Dangeresque Too
Pistols for Pandas
#8 - 2014-12-16 02:58:56 UTC
Apparently people prefer to just snipe the team auctions instead of bidding on them, kinda defeats the purpose of having an auction system to begin with.

If you aren't going to change it at least tell me how much I oversniped the team by? I mean I get an email when I lose a team auction telling me how much the winning snipe was, but nothing about how much I oversniped an auction by.

I think I'm done referring to this awful system as an auction system anymore, cause all it has turned into 90% of the time is a game of chance for who snipes at the last second with the highest value. I stopped even bidding on teams I was not going to be present at my keyboard for the end time because it is going to get sniped unless I snipe it instead.

Darn shame really, the system had such potential.