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What are your skill tolerances?

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Firestorm Delta
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-11-19 00:45:46 UTC
For me it comes down to two things:

1 - Will this skill benefit me in the short term?
2 - Will I need to train other skills to make the most of it?

If the skill will benefit me in the short term I will almost always train it to V, unless situation two comes into play. For example, I can't use T2 turrets of any size at the moment, and while I'd like to fix this I also need to train many core gunnery skills up to make good use of said turrets. Meanwhile I have both Cruise V and Marauders V in my immediate queue because one will give me an alternative to T2 Torps on my Golem, and the other will let me Improve my Golem fit further. Both of these will benefit me upon completion, and neither has additional skills I need to train alongside them since my missile skills are all pretty solid at this point.
Ishen Villone
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2014-12-16 01:27:41 UTC
General skills that affect all ships should be among the first you get to V. Cap management, fitting skills, etc.

Any Tech II pre-reqs are also important.

Recon V Best V.
Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#23 - 2014-12-28 15:25:33 UTC
Lvl 5s are awesome. Personally, I'm obsessed with lvl 5 skills. But for example weapon specializations V aren't worth it IMO.
Especially large weapon specializations. Almost 2m sp for 2% dps increase is meh. But it's nice to fly a ship that's maxed out.

On the other hand, I've spent 26 days training large beam laser spec to lvl 5 and I don't think I'm ever gonna use that, I don't fly amarr battleships. But....it's so yellow...so shiny...so precious

I'd sacrifice my best friend in his best ship just to get more lvl 5s.
Dominique Vasilkovsky
#24 - 2014-12-28 23:20:06 UTC
Mashie Saldana wrote:
Lvl 5s are awesome. Personally, I'm obsessed with lvl 5 skills. But for example weapon specializations V aren't worth it IMO.
Especially large weapon specializations. Almost 2m sp for 2% dps increase is meh. But it's nice to fly a ship that's maxed out.

On the other hand, I've spent 26 days training large beam laser spec to lvl 5 and I don't think I'm ever gonna use that, I don't fly amarr battleships. But....it's so yellow...so shiny...so precious

I'd sacrifice my best friend in his best ship just to get more lvl 5s.

It's only so many skills you can bring up to lvl 5 before you have to do capitals or non-PVP skills. It will be interesting to see what you will train after June when Mashie should be 100% maxed out in subcapitals.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#25 - 2014-12-29 10:44:57 UTC
Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote:
Mashie Saldana wrote:
Lvl 5s are awesome. Personally, I'm obsessed with lvl 5 skills. But for example weapon specializations V aren't worth it IMO.
Especially large weapon specializations. Almost 2m sp for 2% dps increase is meh. But it's nice to fly a ship that's maxed out.

On the other hand, I've spent 26 days training large beam laser spec to lvl 5 and I don't think I'm ever gonna use that, I don't fly amarr battleships. But....it's so yellow...so shiny...so precious

I'd sacrifice my best friend in his best ship just to get more lvl 5s.

It's only so many skills you can bring up to lvl 5 before you have to do capitals or non-PVP skills. It will be interesting to see what you will train after June when Mashie should be 100% maxed out in subcapitals.
I love Mashie's sheet, it looks great.

I have wondered though about what qualifies as 'maxed out'. I have pondered over training certain ship skills, I.E. industrial ones. They can and are used in PvP, this also includes the orca.
But so far have not and decided on a more pure route. I just don't like the idea of having mining related skills in my sheet. Lol

I have a number of years to go yet to reach my goal of having all PvP skills at 5, but then I was foolish enough to include capital skills. P

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Dominique Vasilkovsky
#26 - 2014-12-29 11:06:21 UTC
Mag's wrote:
I have wondered though about what qualifies as 'maxed out'. I have pondered over training certain ship skills, I.E. industrial ones. They can and are used in PvP, this also includes the orca.

I define maxed out as when you see no difference between your char and the "All level 5" character in EFT for any ship fit.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-12-29 12:21:46 UTC
Things to train to V:

stuff that unlocks modules or ships
stuff that unlocks ability to make fits work (logi V for example)
stuff that has much higher benefit the higher it's trained, aka exponential increase (armour and shield comps)
Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#28 - 2014-12-29 15:35:11 UTC
Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote:
Mashie Saldana wrote:
Lvl 5s are awesome. Personally, I'm obsessed with lvl 5 skills. But for example weapon specializations V aren't worth it IMO.
Especially large weapon specializations. Almost 2m sp for 2% dps increase is meh. But it's nice to fly a ship that's maxed out.

On the other hand, I've spent 26 days training large beam laser spec to lvl 5 and I don't think I'm ever gonna use that, I don't fly amarr battleships. But....it's so yellow...so shiny...so precious

I'd sacrifice my best friend in his best ship just to get more lvl 5s.

It's only so many skills you can bring up to lvl 5 before you have to do capitals or non-PVP skills. It will be interesting to see what you will train after June when Mashie should be 100% maxed out in subcapitals.


Probably Black ops and jump drive skills.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#29 - 2014-12-29 15:53:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote:
Mag's wrote:
I have wondered though about what qualifies as 'maxed out'. I have pondered over training certain ship skills, I.E. industrial ones. They can and are used in PvP, this also includes the orca.

I define maxed out as when you see no difference between your char and the "All level 5" character in EFT for any ship fit.
I would also include leadership, which can also be a part of EFT.

TBH I'm now training for the sake of it and the whole level 5 thing is to pass the time. For the time it takes and the gain to be had, level 5 is a bit of a wanton luxury. Oops (In many but not all skills, I might add.)

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Dominique Vasilkovsky
#30 - 2014-12-29 17:18:00 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote:
Mag's wrote:
I have wondered though about what qualifies as 'maxed out'. I have pondered over training certain ship skills, I.E. industrial ones. They can and are used in PvP, this also includes the orca.

I define maxed out as when you see no difference between your char and the "All level 5" character in EFT for any ship fit.
I would also include leadership, which can also be a part of EFT.

TBH I'm now training for the sake of it and the whole level 5 thing is to pass the time. For the time it takes and the gain to be had, level 5 is a bit of a wanton luxury. Oops (In many but not all skills, I might add.)

I'm getting everything int/mem up to 5 for the next 18 months followed by anything charisma based the following 18 months so that will cover the leadership skills. The need to train really ended a few years ago, now it's just a case of getting everything to 5 in the next 10 years doing the capital stuff last.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#31 - 2014-12-29 17:34:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote:
Mag's wrote:
I have wondered though about what qualifies as 'maxed out'. I have pondered over training certain ship skills, I.E. industrial ones. They can and are used in PvP, this also includes the orca.

I define maxed out as when you see no difference between your char and the "All level 5" character in EFT for any ship fit.
I would also include leadership, which can also be a part of EFT.

TBH I'm now training for the sake of it and the whole level 5 thing is to pass the time. For the time it takes and the gain to be had, level 5 is a bit of a wanton luxury. Oops (In many but not all skills, I might add.)

I'm getting everything int/mem up to 5 for the next 18 months followed by anything charisma based the following 18 months so that will cover the leadership skills. The need to train really ended a few years ago, now it's just a case of getting everything to 5 in the next 10 years doing the capital stuff last.
Ahh just noticed you were the original Mashie. If I may ask, why did you sell?

I'm still on the old Perc Will map and was hoping for all the new dessy skills to come out at the same time. I have managed to stretch the queue to last 162 days, so with any luck they'll be out before the end.

I have a few charisma skills too. You have a nice sheet, but then you have always been rather good at them. Big smile

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.

Mashie Saldana
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#32 - 2014-12-30 02:06:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Mashie Saldana
Mag's wrote:
Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote:
Mag's wrote:
I have wondered though about what qualifies as 'maxed out'. I have pondered over training certain ship skills, I.E. industrial ones. They can and are used in PvP, this also includes the orca.

I define maxed out as when you see no difference between your char and the "All level 5" character in EFT for any ship fit.
I would also include leadership, which can also be a part of EFT.

TBH I'm now training for the sake of it and the whole level 5 thing is to pass the time. For the time it takes and the gain to be had, level 5 is a bit of a wanton luxury. Oops (In many but not all skills, I might add.)

I'm getting everything int/mem up to 5 for the next 18 months followed by anything charisma based the following 18 months so that will cover the leadership skills. The need to train really ended a few years ago, now it's just a case of getting everything to 5 in the next 10 years doing the capital stuff last.
Ahh just noticed you were the original Mashie. If I may ask, why did you sell?

I'm still on the old Perc Will map and was hoping for all the new dessy skills to come out at the same time. I have managed to stretch the queue to last 162 days, so with any luck they'll be out before the end.

I have a few charisma skills too. You have a nice sheet, but then you have always been rather good at them. Big smile



Because the offer was too good :)
Dominique Vasilkovsky
#33 - 2014-12-30 10:42:26 UTC
Mashie Saldana wrote:
Because the offer was too good :)

It was the right offer at the right time. I'm glad you are putting all those level 5's to a good use.
Alaric Faelen
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2015-01-03 16:50:24 UTC
It really depends on what the FC needs. If a fleet composition is based around xxx range, or xxx speed, etc-- then it becomes important to be skilled for it. You don't want to be the guy missing something like High Speed Maneuvering V and cap out when everyone else is still hot on the MWD. Likewise, there is a large enough difference between T1 and T2 drones that even if you can fly that Ishtar, not having the T2 drones to go with it may gimp your ship in terms of range/damage.

Remember most fits are built using an 'all V' character. FC's are going to assume that if you are flying it- you are fully skilled to do so. An FC will not be pleased to hear that you aren't keeping up, or are out of range when the rest of the fleet is happily killing something.
Just listen in sometime when the guy with JDC IV forces a move op to completely re-route.
Raviel Oxidans
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2015-01-05 04:03:19 UTC
It depends in what i want to do in my future, if i have to wait 60days to get a skill to lv 5, but that skill is in one of my projects, then i will wait that time to get it.

but skill plans dot have only 1 skill, so when i want to follow a plan, start training the lesser skills with shorter training time, then the big skills that takes lots of days to complete.

maybe separate skills by their primary attributtes to make a remmaping in some stages of the queue.
Qn'qura Zalas Zula
Doomheim
#36 - 2015-01-05 04:31:51 UTC
Almost all 4's with certain unlocks at 5 for now.
Once I finally settle on something I'm comfortable flying, I'll quit the mess of cross training thats dogged my skill queue and focus all 5's for it.

Proper Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2015-01-05 16:35:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Rain6637
I train by ship, in remap layers of a year or slightly longer. Eventually I like to train everything to V, with the exceptions of TSM, and rigging skills. With so many characters, I can wait it out.

In the first year I start on Intel / Mem and train one ship out of attribute to IV (Recons, most likely). I stop with core skills at IV, then move to Per / Will to round out multiracial ship skills to V (Battlecruisers and below--the last batch of new characters was lucky for the Destroyer/Battlecruiser/Command Ship redistribution).

At the beginning of the third year, I go back to Intel/Mem and finish up all core skills to V.

What results are characters like these:

Rain6635
Rain6636

A year from now I may burn a remap to train all subcap T2 ship skills to V, without Marauder for those two. I'll put drone skills on them but stay away from Missile and Gunnery DPS. They'll be mostly Cruiser support (HAC, HIC, T3, Logi, Recon).

Oh I just remembered. Those two will be my leadership characters. I have others, but they're not Rains.

Yeah, RP.
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#38 - 2015-01-09 08:44:26 UTC
Some times lots of Lvl5s stacked make a huge difference.

Like Missile projection skills, the result is greater than the sum of the parts so to speak.

Longest Skill i have trained to date was Fighters 5, though the bonus is pretty large so its worth it.
Qn'qura Zalas Zula
Doomheim
#39 - 2015-01-09 15:23:01 UTC
I trained all my gunnery support skills to 5. ....
... then switched to missiles Oops , now training those , meh.

Proper Preparation Prevents Piss Poor Performance

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