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Sp1iff
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-11-26 15:19:44 UTC
First off I cannot see an exploration specific forum tab anywhere; if there isnt one I suggest eve make one Evil

I wanted to ask those here who scan (im guessing some do as escalations can be scanned very frequently) and have done relic sites this last week; have you noticed any difference in them?

I personally have noticed a much lower drop rate of the 20+mill Ruin Can's that I have experienced previously. Have CCP silently (or publicly I and didnt get the memo What?) nerfed relics to bring them more in line with data sites? I just find myself earning much less isk than usual running relic sites.

thoughts?
powerfreak evans
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2014-11-28 14:40:54 UTC
Hey....
I have noticed the change and yes there was a slight nerf on loot drops. This is due to CCP add more POS/POS modules drops in the relic and data sites. They have also added the null/low/high sec relic and data sites to WH space.
This is great i think BUT i am still yet to find a POS tower in a data site so where the hell are they !!!

fly safe buddy !
Orlacc
#3 - 2014-11-28 15:55:23 UTC
I got one in low yesterday.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Signal11th
#4 - 2014-12-15 15:43:35 UTC
Sp1iff wrote:
First off I cannot see an exploration specific forum tab anywhere; if there isnt one I suggest eve make one Evil

I wanted to ask those here who scan (im guessing some do as escalations can be scanned very frequently) and have done relic sites this last week; have you noticed any difference in them?

I personally have noticed a much lower drop rate of the 20+mill Ruin Can's that I have experienced previously. Have CCP silently (or publicly I and didnt get the memo What?) nerfed relics to bring them more in line with data sites? I just find myself earning much less isk than usual running relic sites.

thoughts?



20mil+ cans,, wouldn't know never seen one of those (most I've seen is 19mil)and never seen a POS BPC either and I do alot of relic sites.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2014-12-15 15:56:09 UTC
Relic sites are still worth about 10 times as much as data sites. More if you get lucky. The profit margins on the BPCs aren't that great and they drop too infrequently to make any real difference.
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-12-15 16:02:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Tipa Riot
I was relic exploring in nullsec again yesterday, but I don't see a significant change in the loot tables, got a couple of 50M ruins but also a lot of garbage as usual; was not lucky so far to get a POS BPC. The minimum for a whole site was 29M. The only thing I noticed is, that the new direction numbers help increasing my success rate a bit.

I'm my own NPC alt.
Aplysia Vejun
Children of Agasul
#7 - 2014-12-15 16:45:34 UTC
29millions for one relic site in null? Where were you to get such high numbers? My usual income for a relic site is at 5-7million in serpentis null
(=useless)
Signal11th
#8 - 2014-12-15 16:56:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
Aplysia Vejun wrote:
29millions for one relic site in null? Where were you to get such high numbers? My usual income for a relic site is at 5-7million in serpentis null
(=useless)


Humm I must admit I average anywhere between 15-50mil a relic site 50 mill obviously being quite a bit rarer but I average I'd say around 20-30mil per site. You do enough and you know the amounts you will get just from the name of the site. Hint some pay out a lot more than others.

e,g today I logged on for an hour on my lunch break found 3 sites and made around 59 mil after selling the stuff. Not quite as much as I would make ratting for an hour but it's something different to do to break up the boredom of ratting.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-12-15 17:03:28 UTC
Aplysia Vejun wrote:
in serpentis null
(=useless)

This is the problem ...

I'm my own NPC alt.
Aplysia Vejun
Children of Agasul
#10 - 2014-12-15 17:29:24 UTC
Tipa Riot wrote:
Aplysia Vejun wrote:
in serpentis null
(=useless)

This is the problem ...

2-4 T2 salvage per site.. even if those very few t2 salvage items were more expensive i wouldnt be able to go over 8-9millions per site.
Orlacc
#11 - 2014-12-15 17:34:19 UTC
Aplysia Vejun wrote:
Tipa Riot wrote:
Aplysia Vejun wrote:
in serpentis null
(=useless)

This is the problem ...

2-4 T2 salvage per site.. even if those very few t2 salvage items were more expensive i wouldnt be able to go over 8-9millions per site.



Serp is weak. Go Sansha or Gurista.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Aplysia Vejun
Children of Agasul
#12 - 2014-12-15 17:51:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Aplysia Vejun
Orlacc wrote:
Aplysia Vejun wrote:
Tipa Riot wrote:
Aplysia Vejun wrote:
in serpentis null
(=useless)

This is the problem ...

2-4 T2 salvage per site.. even if those very few t2 salvage items were more expensive i wouldnt be able to go over 8-9millions per site.



Serp is weak. Go Sansha or Gurista.

I've found a better solution:
Combat Complexes in low and sometimes nullsec. MUCH more money (70million-2billion per site, highly random) and sometimes a fight - which i tend to lose but oh well, its often fun :) and travelling in low is save (without lag..)
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2014-12-16 16:26:52 UTC
Only thing I have noticed is how rare it is to find data and relics sites after Rhea release... All I can find are ******* wormholes, and I've tried hisec, lowsec and null... all with same results.
Tuketh Sagus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-12-16 16:30:21 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
Sp1iff wrote:
First off I cannot see an exploration specific forum tab anywhere; if there isnt one I suggest eve make one Evil

I wanted to ask those here who scan (im guessing some do as escalations can be scanned very frequently) and have done relic sites this last week; have you noticed any difference in them?

I personally have noticed a much lower drop rate of the 20+mill Ruin Can's that I have experienced previously. Have CCP silently (or publicly I and didnt get the memo What?) nerfed relics to bring them more in line with data sites? I just find myself earning much less isk than usual running relic sites.

thoughts?



20mil+ cans,, wouldn't know never seen one of those (most I've seen is 19mil)and never seen a POS BPC either and I do alot of relic sites.



I got an useless gun bpc... the gun was worth less than the gun you need to build it.

But yea, there are many BPCs, rarely for Pos (got only 2 until now). What I find wuite often are Nanite armor reps and the battery charges (ancinalarry or something) shields. Also got 2 augmented Hobs with 10 runs each.

I also noticed the drop in value, but whats the biggest change, is that I find less sites than before.
Orlacc
#15 - 2014-12-16 17:58:41 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Only thing I have noticed is how rare it is to find data and relics sites after Rhea release... All I can find are ******* wormholes, and I've tried hisec, lowsec and null... all with same results.



What's wrong with Wormholes? Plenty of sites in there.

I have seen no drop in the number of sites in null or low. I have seen a vast rise in the number of "explorers" though.

Kids, regardless of what you hear, exploring is not "easy isk."

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
Artenso Vestindal
Institute of Tax Optimalization
#16 - 2014-12-18 02:47:29 UTC
Orlacc wrote:
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Only thing I have noticed is how rare it is to find data and relics sites after Rhea release... All I can find are ******* wormholes, and I've tried hisec, lowsec and null... all with same results.



What's wrong with Wormholes? Plenty of sites in there.

I have seen no drop in the number of sites in null or low. I have seen a vast rise in the number of "explorers" though.

Kids, regardless of what you hear, exploring is not "easy isk."


I have noticed drop in relic/data site spawn frequency too... today, 35 systems (40jumps), only 5 WHs, 2 relics and 0 data... And i met almost nobody (systems had mostly less than 6 jumps in last hour). Day after Rhea arrived i have traveled 15 jumps to find just 1 relic. Traffic was greater that day, but it was caused by (at least) two sizable fleets moving around. So after Rhea i have currently something like 1 relic per 16-17 jumps. Before Rhea i had about 1 relic per 5-7 jumps.

I cant (yet) say if its some change in Rhea, I havent got enought time for EVE lately, maybe at the end of month i would be able to say if its lower spawn rate or just extremely bad luck those 2 days... But definitely as my earnings after Rhea are, i would do much more flying high-sec l4 missions...

To your question whats wrong with WH: plenty of sites there, but from my experience in 2 relics, its totally not worth of it for solo explorer. Too much risk (wasnt able to do one at all, too much DPS, second with problems and several warp-outs with 300+DPS stable tank... after about an hour... and lost all drones in the process), too big volume of hack container drops, too low value.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-12-18 04:59:30 UTC
Kind of fits with the recent huge drop in mission loot. Blitzing missions and ignoring loot has become more optimal than ever.

Must be some sort of not-so-stealthy loot drop rebalance going on.
ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2014-12-18 08:34:15 UTC
Found three relic sites once in quick succession... must have made a few bill, and wasn't too strenuous with carrier support...

wait? you don't do C5 relic sites?

No Worries
Orlacc
#19 - 2014-12-18 13:55:21 UTC
I was in a WH yesterday with 8 Null-Type relic sites. Sansha, Serp, Gurista. On the other hand the loot was abysmal. Like 40m for the lot.

"Measure Twice, Cut Once."