Ships & Modules

(apologies in advance for these mails, I haven't actually lost a solo logi in a long while)

1. I see BS in lowsec all the time. Pretty much daily.
2. Yes, even heavy-neut Torp Rokhs.
3. I'm reasonably certain the Canes are firing EM because I know the pilots flying them, what they like to carry and what they keep stocked in their station.

Once again, not saying you are lying, but it's becoming increasingly clear to me that we're flying to regions with radically different metagames. Which is in turn influencing our opinions on ships, so I doubt we'll ever come to an agreement.

Aridia. Most of my "Oh ****, I tanked 30 guys in battleships and carriers" stories are from that region.

-Liang

Fair enough. I chose my words poorly, and it would be more accurate to say :
The bulk of eve (myself included) do not believe that the scimi is underpowered, or in need of any major boosts.

As for the 51% comment, that's bullshit and you know it. Do you know what people are really, REALLY good at doing on these forums? Whining and bitching about anything that they think is sub-par (or overpowered, though the reasoning still tends to stem from their favourite ships being sub-par). Do you know how many threads I've seen about the scimi needing a boost? None. I also fly the scimi (though less often than the guardian or oneiros) and I feel it's in no need of a boost, nor do any of the people I know who fly it. Really, the only person I have EVER seen to claim that the scimi is flat out in need of a boost is Liang, and it REEKS of someone just wanting their favourite toy buffed.

I'm pretty sure I mentioned that replacing the 2 basilisks with 2 scims yielded the same time decrease as bringing along a friend in a second vindi, followed shortly after by me saying that I don't actually run sites any more, so that's 2 points in this rather short reply of yours that are flat out BS. But that's not the point. The point is you want the ship changed, whereas most everyone else is fine with it the way it is.

If you think it's useless, don't use it. Those of us who do not share your point of view will be just fine without you, honest.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.
The only thing you got right in this paragraph was that I didn't spend time trying to figure out the best 4 ship setup, because I use 3 ships, not 4. But yes, I most certainly DID spend time figuring out the best setup, and if you believe otherwise than PLEASE, share with me your setup that performs better. And rapiers are completely useless, due to the long cycle time of TPs, and the fact that webs take TIME to slow down a target. That is, by the way, the main reason TLs are so nice in incursions, even as you bring in more people. A good fleet kills things fast enough not to have time to properly web it, which is why you see those zealot/t3 fleets sporting so many oneiros'.


This isn't even about the link bonus any more, it's the ship itself. As I said before, the fact that there are people who use the bonus means that it is by it's very nature NOT a useless bonus.You think it needs a buff, and I honestly can't think of anyone outside this thread mentioning this before, whereas I can think of many, many people who use the scim and think it's just fine, even if they don't use the TL bonus.

And where, pray tell, are these people?

You've been on these forums for a while now - you've seen the threads and claiming otherwise is you simply burying your head in the sand. Give it up bro - you have a totally indefensible position here. Just admit you didn't know as much about logis as you thought you did.

-Liang

i actually stole the TL scimi fit and concept off of old PL snipe hac scimis, no troll.

The Scimitar mite have a few flaws compared to the Basilisk. It mite need some improvements like alittle more targeting range or PG or even moving some slots around to get more reps on highs.

But it dont need the bonus changed there support ships not tanking ships and I realy reather would not like to see all of them have a cap rep bonus.

The main reason that most people us a Basiliks over a Scimitar is for more reps on high. And something has to be better at it mite as well be the Basilisk becouse the Scimitar is smaller Sig and faster it can gtfo faster keep range easyer then the Basilisk.

But it can not out rep the Basilisk.

The only real question here is it better to give up remote rep for cap transfer or give up tank for TL's?

Another thing that has not been pointed out here is the Scimitar is good in mix tank fleets. Say you have mainly a Armor tanked fleet other then the Caldari jamming ships that are shield tanked you can easly armor tank the Scimitar that is there only for the Jamming ships to begin with.

So it realy comes down to how you set your fleet up to run weather or not the Scimitar is lacking.

Edit: As for the TL bonus probly get used alittle less often then the cap transfer bonus only becouse cap transfer is a must have for longer PVP engagments and TL is only nice to have. But nice to have is a hole world of differnce from total crap to have.

You can keep saying it all you want, it doesn't make it true. If there have been thousands of people bemoaning the uselessness of the scimi, surely you can link me to a threadnought somewhere. If you can't then my point stands, because as it stands, you're flat out wrong. Want proof? Look at this thread:
People who think the scim needs a boost and that the TL bonus is useless:
Liang Nuren
Sven Hammerstorm(maybe? I think he was trolling, but I'm pretty sure if I don't put him here you'll accuse me of skewing the numbers)
Michael Harari ("Scimi with an active tanking bonus would actually be pretty neat.") Again, not reeeeaaallly, but whatever, I give it to you and my point STILL remains intact.

People who are on the fence:
ElCholo (" I don't think that the Scimitar is underpowered. Not for what I use it for, for what my friends use it for, or for what my alliance uses it for. I do, however, feel that it could be improved upon for what it does to bring it in line with it's armor counterpart. ")

People who don't think the TL link needs to go:
Cambarus
Mfine Apocal
Rip Miner
Nor Tzestu
Rel'k Bloodlor
Tamiya Sarossa
Verity Sovereign
vorneus
shlakkk


That's not looking well for your side I think. That said, even that pales in comparison to my main point on that subject:
If the ship were actually underpowered, people would not be using it. Or, if they were, they would be complaining constantly on the forums about how bad it is. We're not seeing this. There's a reason for that.

EDIT:
That's not a terrible idea, and is much more reasonable than turning it into a logi with a tank like a sleipnir. (You still haven't posted this 6k/s tanked sleip of yours so I can compare a similarly fit scimi btw)