EVE General Discussion

I don't think that word means what you think it means…

Also, if you're going to give a lesson on something, it helps if you keep your message consistent throughout the text, and don't completely reverse your claim from one sentence phrase to the next.

O...kay.

This must be in response to all the calls to lower the Isk generated in Incursions...see other posts for that argument.

I can say from my viewpoint you are right. The one thing stopping me from trying to raise hell in null / low is isk

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Minmatar...because rust is hard to see in space.

Currency inflation* if we're being anal.

When the price level rises with inflation the price level isn't actually rising -- it's just inflation. People have the same amount of real wealth so they can afford the same style of living.

Removing ISK from highsec both slows the input of ISK into the game and increases the price level. When you slow money supply while raising prices across the board, bad **** happens.


Fix'd, thanks.

Assume the want for PVP isn't affected in the short term. People that PVP now want to keep PVPing.

Minerals / ISK in high sec get nerfed.

Ship prices go up, starting with ships the industrial / mining base views as "non-essential" (see: anything that isn't a Raven or Hulk).

Module prices go up.

Some time after, demand for these PVP goods falls due to the increased prices and EVE becomes more passive.

Some will fly less expensive PVP ships (less variety)

Some will try out new fits / strategies less (less variety again)

Some will flat out PVP less or quit PVPing (less aggression)

Eventually reduced demand may cause a price fluctuation back towards the current level. However, that would be a temporary change -- as prices would return to the new level again when the market re-adjusted.

Nerfing highsec would be bad for anyone that isn't a useless, parasitic null-bear that clogs up their alliance's JF services every week.

Herp derp derp herp.

I mean seriously, what happens when you take away resources in the face of existing demand? Do prices go up? Whoah! This is groundbreaking economic science here. ******* GROUNDBREAKING.

It's almost like if there was a disaster at a large oil company that resulted in 10% less oil available in a given country it would increase gas prices and cause people there to drive their cars less.

Usually when people ask for highsec nerfs they specifically mention mining, ice mining, and level 4s.

Minerals are a way to make ISK in high sec. I was using "Highsec ISK" as an umbrella for all ISK-generating activities in highsec.

Let me boil all the unnessecary stuff away.

1 High Seccers enjoy safety and the casaul affair. This allows for the limited time players or the real cowards to still enjoy eve.

2 Nerfing high sec in terms of moving activites while equally not as good options are available has and never will work. Look up the lvl 4 low sec fiasco.

3 Nerfing high sec in terms of moving activities with NO altneratives that are not as good in the same activity has worked rather well in the past however it also played straight into nuller and lowers hands in inflating thier pockets.

4. Bottom line all spaces are FUBAR in thier own special way. Low sec is apperantly to lawless. Null is boring. and High sec plauged by those who dont want to move out.

5 Whats fubaring most of these divisions of spaces is the fact that there is suddenly a wall there. A massive feature that was once avaialble in a +0.1 sector of space is now no longer there.

6 If ccp did an appropriate scaling of security status with player incintives being added as lower the security goes, while player safey is slowly stripped away the lower the security goes. This may fix low sec and possibly empire in the process.

7 For example instead of concord showing up only local navy police show up in low sec at a much longer response time than concord could in a 0.5 Lets say a minute and unlike concord the local miltiary police will not wtf uber pwning the assailiants nor would they chase them instantly like concord would. So said crimial can and in most likely in todays envrionment will get away with the crime. Just that with the police gate camping comes to end in low sec and pirate will just have to adapt in hunting thier prey more activly.

8 With ice issues which is what I think this thread was generated for. Its either you get rid of the ice in high sec your you put alot more ice in high sec but nerf the heck out of the types they offer. I peferr the total removal of the high sec ice though in this manner, moving the ice to low then wide spreading it to alot of places oh lets say all the FW systems have the highest concentration of the ice in low sec, put local FW navy facilities in the belts just to keep things interesting and incitivise FWing.

9 Mining with guns needs to seriously looked at again. I say get rid of all module drops replace them with broken parts of modules. Give players the ability to research meta levels at a risk. The BPCs/BPOs would then be reliant on these broken parts to make the meta level items. This will hopefully kill the mineral facuet that high sec mission runners have been killing miner's business for so long. Until all non mining sources of minerals are eleminated, the mining profession will never be taken seriously by anyone who has done thier homework about how fubar the profession is.

No. They usually just mean L4s, with the late addition of incursions. It's been ages since mining was mentioned — that's usually directed at removing the massive influx from nullsec, most notably the drone regions, to further improve mining income or at least to make mining matter again. Ice mining is almost never mentioned, aside from the dev blog a little while ago where it was discussed if some ice products (not ice) should not be available from highsec belts.
Then you need to be a whole lot clearer about that since you keep mentioning “input of ISK”, which is something completely different.

If you are talking about a reduction of both ISK and materials injection, then the effect is nil — if both go down; both maintain their value relative to each other. In fact, your entire description of inflation is… off… shall we say. By very definition, people can't afford the same lifestyle unless their income increases at the same rate, and what they held before does not retain its value in the process. What you're describing is something else, so we're back to the first post: I don't think that word means what you think it means…

You're making some awfully large leaps in your causal process, and basing both the premises and outcomes on some pretty huge (and rather mysterious) assumptions.

No man I've seen it. Dead end system in provi with a billion bubbles on the in gate and a dozen hulks and macks on scan. They were so yellow I had to sit there 3 days afk to get a kill on one.

Indeed. Quite the place to take a nice, cloaky vacation.