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Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#101 - 2014-12-14 09:21:44 UTC
Havohej wrote:


Breaking News, pilot: PIE is not the most powerful force in New Eden - it never has been.



I don't recall such a claim ever being made. It should be clear to all that the most powerful force in New Eden is God.

On the subject of victory, history tells us that unless the victory is final capturing territory is often easier than subsequently holding on to it. Let us not forget that as the forces of righteousness continue in their fight against the Shakorite menace.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Karynn Denton
Lekhantsi Salvage Depot
#102 - 2014-12-14 09:23:53 UTC
Let's not keep the peace for too long, eh?

Some of us have a living to make.

Karynn Denton

Caravan Master
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#103 - 2014-12-14 09:23:54 UTC
Havohej wrote:
Laerise wrote:
Half an hour ago Evati, the last minmatar held system in the amarr/minmatar warzone, fell to combined forces from the 24th imperial crusade.

I congratulate my fellow crusaders on this accomplishment. Now all that is left for us to do is to enforce the peace of God.

Amarr Victor.

But.. yours is not a god of Peace. It is a god of conquest and enslavement.

There is only one figure in the entire cluster who is truly devoted to the cause of a peaceful utopian society. And he's not even a god.

How does that make you feel, pilot? Knowing that your own petty, spiteful, grasping and greedy 'god' is inferior to a man?


The Empire sought peace with the Republic for over a century. Treaties were in place to prevent war. Who broke those treaties? It wasn't the Empire.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#104 - 2014-12-14 09:27:37 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Reginald Sakakibara wrote:
Amarr Victor indeed.

And yet, once the celebrations are over, the great evil that has permeated throughout the Crusade will continue to fester, feasting upon the fruits of victory like vermin in the dark. I, of course, speak of the Sani Sabik influence throughout the 24th Imperial Crusade and now that the Minmatar menace has been defeated, I believe an excellent opportunity has been presented for a long-overdue period of introspection. Let the loyalist Amarr alliances and corporations be empowered by the will of Divine Providence and strike down the heretic from where they stand! Suffer not Sani Sabik nor Blood Raider to operate beneath the Empress' banner!

But Sansha's Nation is a-OK, right?


As a matter of interest, didn't you once pledge your eternal loyalty to the Blood Raider representative, Asias Urazmie?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Evi Polevhia
Phoenix Naval Operations
Phoenix Naval Systems
#105 - 2014-12-14 12:49:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Evi Polevhia
Rodj Blake wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Reginald Sakakibara wrote:
Amarr Victor indeed.

And yet, once the celebrations are over, the great evil that has permeated throughout the Crusade will continue to fester, feasting upon the fruits of victory like vermin in the dark. I, of course, speak of the Sani Sabik influence throughout the 24th Imperial Crusade and now that the Minmatar menace has been defeated, I believe an excellent opportunity has been presented for a long-overdue period of introspection. Let the loyalist Amarr alliances and corporations be empowered by the will of Divine Providence and strike down the heretic from where they stand! Suffer not Sani Sabik nor Blood Raider to operate beneath the Empress' banner!

But Sansha's Nation is a-OK, right?


As a matter of interest, didn't you once pledge your eternal loyalty to the Blood Raider representative, Asias Urazmie?

Now where did I put that list of Major Burn Centers of New Eden.... Edit: Oh and Amarr Victor! I do think my invitation to the celebration of the Fall of Evati got lost, Rodj. Be sure the invitations go out clearly next time. I love a good party with my best friends in the whole cluster, PIE.
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#106 - 2014-12-14 14:24:20 UTC
We should have a slice of that party.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Havohej
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#107 - 2014-12-14 15:22:12 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Havohej wrote:


Breaking News, pilot: PIE is not the most powerful force in New Eden - it never has been.



I don't recall such a claim ever being made. It should be clear to all that the most powerful force in New Eden is God.

Implying that your god exists at all.

Desiderya wrote:
We should have a slice of that party.

Crash it. Post video of the results to GalNet.

Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames.

OOC Forums @ Backstage
Anslo
Scope Works
#108 - 2014-12-14 16:00:10 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Reginald Sakakibara wrote:
Amarr Victor indeed.

And yet, once the celebrations are over, the great evil that has permeated throughout the Crusade will continue to fester, feasting upon the fruits of victory like vermin in the dark. I, of course, speak of the Sani Sabik influence throughout the 24th Imperial Crusade and now that the Minmatar menace has been defeated, I believe an excellent opportunity has been presented for a long-overdue period of introspection. Let the loyalist Amarr alliances and corporations be empowered by the will of Divine Providence and strike down the heretic from where they stand! Suffer not Sani Sabik nor Blood Raider to operate beneath the Empress' banner!

But Sansha's Nation is a-OK, right?


As a matter of interest, didn't you once pledge your eternal loyalty to the Blood Raider representative, Asias Urazmie?

How would you know? You don't even undock.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#109 - 2014-12-14 16:04:02 UTC
Evi Polevhia wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Reginald Sakakibara wrote:
Amarr Victor indeed.

And yet, once the celebrations are over, the great evil that has permeated throughout the Crusade will continue to fester, feasting upon the fruits of victory like vermin in the dark. I, of course, speak of the Sani Sabik influence throughout the 24th Imperial Crusade and now that the Minmatar menace has been defeated, I believe an excellent opportunity has been presented for a long-overdue period of introspection. Let the loyalist Amarr alliances and corporations be empowered by the will of Divine Providence and strike down the heretic from where they stand! Suffer not Sani Sabik nor Blood Raider to operate beneath the Empress' banner!

But Sansha's Nation is a-OK, right?


As a matter of interest, didn't you once pledge your eternal loyalty to the Blood Raider representative, Asias Urazmie?

Now where did I put that list of Major Burn Centers of New Eden.... Edit: Oh and Amarr Victor! I do think my invitation to the celebration of the Fall of Evati got lost, Rodj. Be sure the invitations go out clearly next time. I love a good party with my best friends in the whole cluster, PIE.


Their gratitude is so obvious huh?
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#110 - 2014-12-14 16:24:02 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
As a matter of interest, didn't you once pledge your eternal loyalty to the Blood Raider representative, Asias Urazmie?

That wouldn't be a particularly good deflection even if there were a fragment of truth to it.

But given that Amarr loyalists have willingly submitted themselves to providing sanctuary for Sansha's Nation I imagine self-deception is a common talent among the 24th.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#111 - 2014-12-14 16:25:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Rodj Blake
Anslo wrote:
Rodj Blake wrote:
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Reginald Sakakibara wrote:
Amarr Victor indeed.

And yet, once the celebrations are over, the great evil that has permeated throughout the Crusade will continue to fester, feasting upon the fruits of victory like vermin in the dark. I, of course, speak of the Sani Sabik influence throughout the 24th Imperial Crusade and now that the Minmatar menace has been defeated, I believe an excellent opportunity has been presented for a long-overdue period of introspection. Let the loyalist Amarr alliances and corporations be empowered by the will of Divine Providence and strike down the heretic from where they stand! Suffer not Sani Sabik nor Blood Raider to operate beneath the Empress' banner!

But Sansha's Nation is a-OK, right?


As a matter of interest, didn't you once pledge your eternal loyalty to the Blood Raider representative, Asias Urazmie?

How would you know? You don't even undock.


You have to undock to ask questions now?

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Anslo
Scope Works
#112 - 2014-12-14 16:30:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Anslo
Last I checked this wasn't some news article. Also everything you read must be 100% true no matter what right?

EDIT: just for the record , Rodj's original post said he read it. Thus my comment.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#113 - 2014-12-14 16:42:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Andreus Ixiris
Of all the flaws that the FDU has - and it has many, let me assure you - never did I have towatch as corporations amongst us willingly embraced Serpentis and the Cartel as brothers. The victory of the Amarr in the militia warzone - meaningless as it already is - was built on the backs of Covenant and Nation fanatics and foreign mercenaries. I cannot but feel a bitter pang of cynical amusement at the fact that the militia most dedicated to spiritual and ideological purity has compromised itself by accepting the help of those whom it considers the most spiritually and ideologically sullied.

The Nation and the Sani Sabik are far greater dangers to the Empire than the Republic will ever be, because as much as they might hate you, the Republic really couldn't give a damn about the Empire's internal ideology - only that their people are freed from bondage and that the Empire is never in a position to threaten their independence ever again. The Covenant and the Nation, however, wish to pervert everything the Empire values - religion, culture, heritage, tradition, spirituality and the sanctity of the human mind and body. In your petty obsession with subjugating those who have definitively refused to be subjugated by you, you've sold your soul to those who would indelibly corrupt everything for which you fight. This victory won't even be permanent - in a few weeks or months, the Republic will probably control the majority of the warzone for a time, because vast weight of precedent demonstrates that warzone control is not sustainable for long periods.

I wish I could say I was overjoyed to see you buy a fleeting victory with the ashes of your dignity, but in truth my quiet, bitter laughter is being drowned out by the sound of Kvuakei and Sarikusa rubbing their hands together and cackling.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#114 - 2014-12-14 16:47:30 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Of all the flaws that the FDU has - and it has many, let me assure you - never did I have towatch as corporations amongst us willingly embraced Serpentis and the Cartel as brothers. The victory of the Amarr in the militia warzone - meaningless as it already is - was built on the backs of Covenant and Nation fanatics and foreign mercenaries. I cannot but feel a bitter pang of cynical amusement at the fact that the militia most dedicated to spiritual and ideological purity has compromised itself by accepting the help of those whom it considers the most spiritually and ideologically sullied.

The Nation and the Sani Sabik are far greater dangers to the Empire than the Republic will ever be, because as much as they might hate you, the Republic really couldn't give a damn about the Empire's internal ideology - only that their people are freed from bondage and that the Empire is never in a position to threaten their independence ever again. The Covenant and the Nation, however, wish to pervert everything the Empire values - religion, culture, heritage, tradition, spirituality and the sanctity of the human mind and body. In your petty obsession with subjugating those who have definitively refused to be subjugated by you, you've sold your soul to those who would indelibly corrupt everything for which you fight. This victory won't even be permanent - in a few weeks or months, the Republic will probably control the majority of the warzone for a time, because vast weight of precedent demonstrates that warzone control is not sustainable for long periods.

I wish I could say I was overjoyed to see you buy a fleeting victory with the ashes of your dignity, but in truth my quiet, bitter laughter is being drowned out by the sound of Kvuakei and Sarikusa rubbing their hands together and cackling.


You have quite the hate-boner don't you.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums.  - CCP Falcon

I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#115 - 2014-12-14 16:49:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Andreus Ixiris
Kalaratiri wrote:
You have quite the hate-boner don't you.

No, just a regretable penchant for continually finding things in this world more disappointing than the previous thing I believed represented the absolute limit of my disappointment.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#116 - 2014-12-14 17:28:15 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:

As a matter of interest, didn't you once pledge your eternal loyalty to the Blood Raider representative, Asias Urazmie?


At Lady Silas Vitalia's Party, at which Captain Ixiris and Bleeder Urazmie were both Present, as was myself, the Topic of the Covenant Offensive against the Khanid Kingdom was Discussed.

Captain Ixiris expressed An Interest in Assisting, in the form of a Mercenary Contract, should he be released from some Prior Obligations, as "the Blood Raiders interests align with mine in places".

Bleeder Urazmie invited Captain Ixiris to "Discuss how our interests align in private", whereupon the two persons departed the main Hall where I was Present, for a different Part of the venue.

A short time Later, Bleeder Urazmie returned, looking Amused. Followed a few minutes After by Captain Ixiris, who looked Flustered and Embarrassed.

It Transpired that Bleeder Urazmie had Locked Captain Ixiris in a Closet.

Later, several TS-F pilots appeared, Naked, stealing Furniture from the venue. Some of those Personnel are now in Pyre Falcons.


So, your statement, Admiral Blake, is Inaccurate, as Captain Ixiris did not pledge Eternal Loyalty, only offering services as a Mercenary.

I Hope this Clears Up any Confusion on This Issue.

Sincerely

Synthia 1, Empress.

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#117 - 2014-12-14 17:32:47 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Last I checked this wasn't some news article. Also everything you read must be 100% true no matter what right?


If things were not True, why would they be Written ?

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#118 - 2014-12-14 17:41:19 UTC
Synthetic Cultist wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Last I checked this wasn't some news article. Also everything you read must be 100% true no matter what right?


If things were not True, why would they be Written ?


Do you believe everything written by Gutter Press?
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#119 - 2014-12-14 17:56:38 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
Synthetic Cultist wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Last I checked this wasn't some news article. Also everything you read must be 100% true no matter what right?


If things were not True, why would they be Written ?


Do you believe everything written by Gutter Press?


No. Because it is Propaganda.

Although I am Unsure who is Supposed to Benefit from the Propaganda.

Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.

It is Written.
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#120 - 2014-12-14 19:01:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Samira Kernher
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Of all the flaws that the FDU has - and it has many, let me assure you - never did I have towatch as corporations amongst us willingly embraced Serpentis and the Cartel as brothers. The victory of the Amarr in the militia warzone - meaningless as it already is - was built on the backs of Covenant and Nation fanatics and foreign mercenaries. I cannot but feel a bitter pang of cynical amusement at the fact that the militia most dedicated to spiritual and ideological purity has compromised itself by accepting the help of those whom it considers the most spiritually and ideologically sullied.

The Nation and the Sani Sabik are far greater dangers to the Empire than the Republic will ever be, because as much as they might hate you, the Republic really couldn't give a damn about the Empire's internal ideology - only that their people are freed from bondage and that the Empire is never in a position to threaten their independence ever again. The Covenant and the Nation, however, wish to pervert everything the Empire values - religion, culture, heritage, tradition, spirituality and the sanctity of the human mind and body. In your petty obsession with subjugating those who have definitively refused to be subjugated by you, you've sold your soul to those who would indelibly corrupt everything for which you fight. This victory won't even be permanent - in a few weeks or months, the Republic will probably control the majority of the warzone for a time, because vast weight of precedent demonstrates that warzone control is not sustainable for long periods.

I wish I could say I was overjoyed to see you buy a fleeting victory with the ashes of your dignity, but in truth my quiet, bitter laughter is being drowned out by the sound of Kvuakei and Sarikusa rubbing their hands together and cackling.


We do not control who is allowed membership in the 24IC. No militia has any kind of real recruitment standards whatsoever, because every militia is just a privateer organization paying independent contractors to fight as proxies, and there would be nothing stopping those same Blooder and Sansha supporters from leaving Amarr today and signing up for the FDU or TLF tomorrow. And knowing the Sansha supporters, I can imagine they are considering doing just that for the laughs that they would get out of it.

It is certainly very regretable that we are made to work alongside Sansha's Nation supporters and Blood Raiders. But so long as the militias are as hands off as they are, we, those few real loyalists in the militia, are not "willingly providing sanctuary". If any of us had a say, which we do not, then we would certainly see them all cast out instead of welcomed. Indeed, when asked, the Honorable Grand Inquisitor Ohrud Omel stated that the vile actions conducted by blooders, the disgusting blood sacrifices following what should have been great victories, are not at all authorized or supported.

Frankly, the ones that are truly breaking their own principles are in fact the Sansha supporters, who for a long time spoke of their disagreement and utter disgust with the empire wars. Now they have chosen to join in on it anyway because the lure of isk and bloodlust was more important than upholding their own precepts. When asked they argue about how they have some mysterious and grand plan that justifies it, but everyone knows that they simply lacked the fundamental strength of will to hold to what they believed in in the face of their own base temptations.

That knowledge is what gives me some level of comfort, at least.


Furthermore, it is not our "petty obsession with subjugation" that lead to this war. We weren't the ones that broke the peace treaties to which we had agreed upon during the foundation of CONCORD.