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Hate to Miners

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Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#61 - 2014-12-13 21:25:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Zimmy Zeta
I don't hate miners.
But I do hate highsec mining corps, to be more specific those highsec mining corps that aggressively recruit newbies and push them into the miner career, keeping them from experiencing any other content of this wonderfully terrible game.

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.

Neurotox
Malakim Zealots
Angel Cartel
#62 - 2014-12-13 21:29:09 UTC
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:
I would like to point out that when you mine and sell minerals you are competing against other players trying to make ISK on the mineral market.

Therefore mining is technically PVP.

Technically by that standard, everything is PvP. Wait a minute... 'MMORPG'


You cry a lot.
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#63 - 2014-12-13 21:46:45 UTC
Neurotox wrote:
Ferni Ka'Nviiou wrote:
Foxstar Damaskeenus wrote:
I would like to point out that when you mine and sell minerals you are competing against other players trying to make ISK on the mineral market.

Therefore mining is technically PVP.

Technically by that standard, everything is PvP. Wait a minute... 'MMORPG'


You cry a lot.

Define what you mean.
Equinnox Dethahal
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2014-12-13 22:22:40 UTC
I have an account for just mining. I like to mine while I do work ect in the background. Its nice to be able to sit there and mine when I cant focus 100% on playing (yes I get the risk involved with this)

For the amount of time spent mining, I have found that at least in high sec, its the absolute worst money to time activity, on top of the fact you basically need to be doing something else, watching tv or something...while doing it...there isn't much to it (I appreciate its lack of attention demand)

Im sure nullsec mining is way more profitable.

Thing is I get the hate towards it. Its boring (please don't ever make mining an attention demanding task btw) its possibly the lowest profit activity in game aside from ship spinning in station.

I have to imagine that you lose a ton of ships mining in low/null where the decent money is, which probably negates the profits of being there....as well as probably requiring several players near to babysit you..


I wish there was more to mining than watching a 3min cycle time on boring looking rocks, while my drones methodically kill then salvage NPC's.

I cant possibly see how anyone with one character could go into mining and stay in the game longer than the trial however. Especially when they realize how much more profitable other activities and roles are...
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#65 - 2014-12-13 22:42:07 UTC
Equinnox Dethahal wrote:
I have an account for just mining. I like to mine while I do work ect in the background. Its nice to be able to sit there and mine when I cant focus 100% on playing (yes I get the risk involved with this).

And blah.

You could try station trading for another form of passive AFK ISK generation. No risk involved, and it's quite a bit more profitable.
It's even more boring to look at, but hey, ISK, right?
Saint Celeste
Doomheim
#66 - 2014-12-13 22:50:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Saint Celeste
Equinnox Dethahal wrote:
I have an account for just mining. I like to mine while I do work ect in the background. Its nice to be able to sit there and mine when I cant focus 100% on playing (yes I get the risk involved with this)

For the amount of time spent mining, I have found that at least in high sec, its the absolute worst money to time activity, on top of the fact you basically need to be doing something else, watching tv or something...while doing it...there isn't much to it (I appreciate its lack of attention demand)

Im sure nullsec mining is way more profitable.

Thing is I get the hate towards it. Its boring (please don't ever make mining an attention demanding task btw) its possibly the lowest profit activity in game aside from ship spinning in station.

I have to imagine that you lose a ton of ships mining in low/null where the decent money is, which probably negates the profits of being there....as well as probably requiring several players near to babysit you..


I wish there was more to mining than watching a 3min cycle time on boring looking rocks, while my drones methodically kill then salvage NPC's.

I cant possibly see how anyone with one character could go into mining and stay in the game longer than the trial however. Especially when they realize how much more profitable other activities and roles are...



my main toon has done just that due to space madness. for no less than 3 years solo.....yep i know crazy.....but you learn a bit intel wise that isn't really apparent at first glance. Shocked

you can find out a lot by sitting in one area doing the same thing. you can also find out a bit of information on where certain PVP'ers live when not shooting ships but shooting rocks themselves and your not shooting rocks but sitting in Cloak nearby. Cool fun times indeed.

remember knowing is half the battle *hail cobra*

if done right mining can lead to an alternate spy role, one that seeks and finds information, not for profit, but a much more sinister purpose, one of vengeance for sake of sandbox: Reasons!!!!. not only due to people Fething you off in the past but because you start to notice a pattern emerge.

*snip* too much honesty ......EVE is a wonderful place, in sandboxes you can chuck sand or you can get sand in your eyes or you can get even.


not only that but if you pick your mining area's intelligently then you can get by without losing a single ship or paying a single ransom.

really depends on how you utilize what you have got at your disposal just the same as if you like shooting lasers at ships [which is the same thing as shooting rocks in space- no difference- beside the reason for tears if you lose your ship or your target of ganking, but those tears aren't really all that different as both parties cry about much the same thing on different sides of a fence]


sure mining is mind numbing [my other toon knows probably better than most, based on what i know here- which is limited to say the least] but those selfsame PVP toons do the same if they cannot rely on alliances or trade deals.

it's not so much a hate as people have mentioned.

it's that you do the same mistake without progressing the game forward, if your idle and don't do much you are a target of someone wanting to see a countdown timer or a module [weapon] just the same as you enjoy not shooting ships but somewhat enjoying shooting rocks.

best advice is don't make yourself a target. you do that by paying attention to what you are doing. and learn and move onward and ever upwards and slightly to the left.....seriously if i had to say i hated someone it'd be the scammers if not for any other reason than because i can.
Chronoxi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#67 - 2014-12-13 23:15:52 UTC
AttentionStereotyping incomingAttention

EVE players have a strong 'us vs them' mentality.

weeeeEEEEEEEEEE are never ever ever!

Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#68 - 2014-12-13 23:28:32 UTC
Chronoxi wrote:
AttentionStereotyping incomingAttention

EVE players have a strong 'us vs them' mentality.

Stereotyping indeed.
Saint Celeste
Doomheim
#69 - 2014-12-13 23:33:38 UTC
Chronoxi wrote:
AttentionStereotyping incomingAttention

EVE players have a strong 'us vs them' mentality.



just like real life or any other MMORPG. shocking to discover i know. i didn't believe it myself either.
Chronoxi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#70 - 2014-12-13 23:42:26 UTC
Saint Celeste wrote:
Chronoxi wrote:
AttentionStereotyping incomingAttention

EVE players have a strong 'us vs them' mentality.



just like real life or any other MMORPG. shocking to discover i know. i didn't believe it myself either.


*gasp* how.... how can this be?! This revelation must be made known to the world at once!
The faith of earth is at stake!

weeeeEEEEEEEEEE are never ever ever!

Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2014-12-14 01:14:32 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Anslo wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:
Relevant!

I think the real reason for Miner hate is the strange though process of the common EVE PvPer. They think like: "Heck, why can't I find people to shoot? If those dastardly High Sec Miners stopped their tomfoolery and PvPed more, I would have something to shoot!"

I like to think that if we are playing a Sandbox MMO, why shouldn't we build sand castles?


You can build all the sandcastles you like, as long as you're prepared to defend them from people coming to kick them over. If you can't do that, then you're gonna lose your sandcastle.

You've got the common thought process of the 'common pvp'er' completely wrong, by the way. The real one is, "everything undocked is a target". Frankly, I don't care if you learn to PVP or not. If you make yourself so easy to kill, that's really only your own problem.

Speak for yourself. You should have stayed unsubbed.


You can have a personal problem with me, or you can grow the **** up. Your choice, Captain Salty. Either way, I am speaking for myself, along with the demonstrable majority of PVP'ers in my area. Don't believe me? Spend five minutes in Aridia and see how you hold up against the Russians there. Everything's a target. If it's not, you're doing it wrong.

I wouldn't be surprised, actually, if you were doing it completely wrong.

Aspbergers intensifying. You merely adopted the rus. We were born in it. Molded by it. Trained to be rus stronk and crush enemies like skull of pig)))
If the pvpers around you are like you then top ******* lol no wonder you kept losing **** to the same people. Rage revenge eh?

Scrub.


So, you've chosen to have a personal problem. Which means it's not mine. So, have fun with that.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#72 - 2014-12-14 01:19:23 UTC
I don't hate miners. I do hate the ability to generate wealth while AFK. Isk should be earned through real effort, not through AFK play.
Saint Celeste
Doomheim
#73 - 2014-12-14 01:46:04 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
I don't hate miners. I do hate the ability to generate wealth while AFK. Isk should be earned through real effort, not through AFK play.



how about PI Roll....that is passive and taking isk without effort. man i hate those PI guy's......mining isn't the only effortless afk inducing activities in New Eden......think about PI...won't someone think of the PI.... Big smile
Vapor Ventrillian
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2014-12-14 03:21:17 UTC
Hmmm this boils down to the care bear argument I thinkBear

The Halo co'd diehards feel any who are not actively participating in the game in a destructive fashion are to be hated and feared because you are the cybernetic version of their parents...doing the right thing and working towards success while they want to rebel and blow **** up...

This is because they are children who need a little human contact to not be asshats Twisted

truly we are dealing with peeps who are venting in a virtual dimension. It is my suggestion to feel gratitude that they are not taking this aggression in to the real world and to make an effort to encourage healthy social interaction

and finally to make a point of pretending to be their mums and tell them that it is time fore bed and to brush their teeth Twisted

but the best way is to do some missions till you have locator agents worth a dime then hunt them down then pod them...make sure to mention the above parenting troll as you pod them as this will be an equivalent pimp slap and they will appreciate it...in a couple of years Lol

as always Scope For the Win

o7

Vapor

The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be

Josef Djugashvilis
#75 - 2014-12-14 08:46:55 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You want to know why people hate miners?

I was talking to a guy on Reddit the other day about precisely that, and here is what he told me.

Quote:
Newbro here. Finally got my mining barge after pushing for mining from the start. Hate it. I'm too cautious to afk mine and I hate the idea of even having to do that. I want to play this game. I feel like I don't have any other available thing to do. I understand I won't be rich right away but I really can't see myself doing nonstop mining haul after mining haul. It's not fun at all. I feel like the only thing I can do is queue up a month's worth of skills and come back with a little more available to me and Plex it off. It doesn't sound fun to me in the slightest. I'm so lost in this game and I don't know if I should even continue.


That's why I hate miners.


Poor, sad, deluded Kaarous.

Please take your 'personal issues' to another game.

This is not a signature.

Serene Repose
#76 - 2014-12-14 10:05:52 UTC
Pok Nibin wrote:
Digital tough guys - my favorite kind.
I have a like on a post in this thread...that's GONE. Can you believe that? How do such things happen? Is the internet HAUNTED?? OR...*** ***** ****** ***** ******* *******?

We must accommodate the idiocracy.

Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#77 - 2014-12-14 13:53:25 UTC
I don't hate miners. And I think people who do are childish and immature.

Unless we're talking about one guy owning 20+ accounts absolutely clearing an area of minerals, then there's no mature reason to hate miners.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#78 - 2014-12-14 14:11:49 UTC
I think the OP has it completely backwards.

I mean there aren't really a lot of people who actually hate miners. And don't confuse blowing up their ships with hate or something it's really more a fun thing.

On the other hand I get a lot of hate from the miners whos ships I incinerate for fun. It seams there are a lot of very unbalanced people among them who can't take a loss in a competitive multiplayer game. I mean the rules and game mechanics are clear and if you undock an unarmed and untanked vessel into space you shouldn't be surprised if it goes up in flames.
M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#79 - 2014-12-14 15:13:32 UTC  |  Edited by: M1k3y Koontz
Bing Bangboom wrote:
Kestral Anneto wrote:
Hi All,

As a miner, i come across this all the time, but what i don't understand is, why so much hate towards miners?

Eve is a sandbox that every game wants to be, where people get to make there own stories, it's not whole PVP, PVE or whatever.

So why the hate? QuestionQuestion


Good question. For a great answer read

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=40762


What if I don't want to read 30 pages of James513's egotistical drivel?

Edit:
Inb4umadbro?

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.

M1k3y Koontz
House of Musashi
Stay Feral
#80 - 2014-12-14 15:18:04 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
I don't hate miners. Hate is a strong emotion. I reserve my hatred for bigots, sexist, and racist people. Miners, no, I don't hate them.

You misinterpret "getting blown up", as "they hate me specifically". In my case, it's nothing personal. You're in an unarmed ship I can reasonably expect to explode. Blowing you (and your pod) up creates the sudden new demand for a mining ship, mining fittings, and implants.

Take a wild guess what I'm selling on an alt a couple systems over, at only 10% above Jita.


Now THIS is a good reason to gank miners. Create the supply, then create the demand. Clever.

How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.