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Is hisec exploration not worth it?
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Nicholas Hydrictis Niadrian
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-12-13 19:34:58 UTC
So this video from Magnasis Drakkenwolf has some what damaged my view on exploration in highsec.

As for what the video says it's that exploration in Hi-sec has been really frustrating because of:
1) Hi-sec is crowded and because of the recent updates, exploration is really popular therfore lots of competition.
2) The second and much more serious problem is people picking out what they want with cargo scanners and leaving the low value loot behind, and consequently the site does not de-spawn. Therefore all you find is junk.

Eve is supposed to be a harsh universe... but that, that seems like a special kind of douchebaggery.

The video is a few months old so has it gotten better or worse? If has not changed or for the worse, looks like I have to take a more aggressive approach and move to greener pastures. Which means I have to learn how to survive lowsec sooner than I thought. Eve UNI teaches you things like that right? Can a trail account rookie with the proper training tackle low sec without getting massacred?

"If we keep killing every other sentient being we meet, there will be nothing left in the universe but corpses and enemies." -Nameless Sage, Ring Runner
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#2 - 2014-12-13 19:41:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
High sec data/relic is generally not worth much at all, you can be lucky but overall not worth your time other than using it to gain experience with scanning etc. However, COMBAT exploration in high sec can be very much worth it, this can be done by any week old newbie in a t1 fit destroyer as long as that person has the capability and will to engage their brain cells and put in some effort to learn to do things right.
Quanah Comanche
#3 - 2014-12-13 20:27:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Quanah Comanche
High-sec is where you hone your skills before playing EVE basically. You can not make a living from exploration in high-sec. In low and null you can.


And the sites DO despawn after one or more cans are opened.
Sir Livingston
Doomheim
#4 - 2014-12-13 20:57:06 UTC
It depends how you define "worth it".
If you're comparing it to potential loot from low-sec or null-sec exploration sites, then yes, high-sec is not worth your time.

The vast majority of my ISK has been generated by selling the faction & deadspace loot I get from high-sec combat sites.
It takes high skills and a fast ship to compete with other high-sec combat site runners.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#5 - 2014-12-13 21:00:35 UTC
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J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2014-12-13 21:07:47 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Op, click this link-----------------------------------------------------------^
some quality content contained thereinBlink.


Wait.

You didn't edit the post, yet the arrow is spot on.

What is this kind of witchcraft.

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Sir Livingston
Doomheim
#7 - 2014-12-13 21:10:56 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Op, click this link-----------------------------------------------------------^
some quality content contained thereinBlink.

Thanks for the show of confidence in my work Cool

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#8 - 2014-12-13 21:22:09 UTC
Sir Livingston wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Op, click this link-----------------------------------------------------------^
some quality content contained thereinBlink.

Thanks for the show of confidence in my work Cool

No problem dude, I do a fair bit of scanning myself (for flipping mission bears war targets and anyone silly enough to come into our home system) and I had found your channel at some point in the past while looking for tutorials before ccp changed probe mechanics.
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Nicholas Hydrictis Niadrian
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-12-13 23:09:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicholas Hydrictis Niadrian
Sir Livingston wrote:
It depends how you define "worth it".
If you're comparing it to potential loot from low-sec or null-sec exploration sites, then yes, high-sec is not worth your time.

The vast majority of my ISK has been generated by selling the faction & deadspace loot I get from high-sec combat sites.
It takes high skills and a fast ship to compete with other high-sec combat site runners.

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Well I didn't expect you here. I want to say thank you, because when I was curious about EVE, yours and scott manleys videos are what pushed me over the edge into trying it out and your tutorials helped make EVE a much better experience for me. So anyways it's just plain better to go to lowsec i guess. Is your magnate fit still a valid build to follow? Also what skills (outside of the scanning tab of course) are relevant to exploration? I know the cloak and microwarp drive are the first things that come to mind. But what else do you recommend?

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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
#10 - 2014-12-14 01:20:59 UTC
My impression is that the main way to make isk in highsec exploration is Gurista 3/10 and 4/10 DED sites, which may drop Pithum C type loot.
Nicholas Hydrictis Niadrian
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-12-14 01:22:55 UTC
Veers Belvar wrote:
My impression is that the main way to make isk in highsec exploration is Gurista 3/10 and 4/10 DED sites, which may drop Pithum C type loot.

I meant to say relic/data sites, but I guess that will be a good pass time until I'm ready to go to lowsec.

"If we keep killing every other sentient being we meet, there will be nothing left in the universe but corpses and enemies." -Nameless Sage, Ring Runner
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#12 - 2014-12-14 02:07:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
Quanah Comanche wrote:
You can not make a living from exploration in high-sec.


Stop lying.

OP: Go have a look here and watch those vids, there's just a few of them but it shows you what can be done, even on low SP. https://www.youtube.com/user/MarcDurantGaming/videos
Trevor Dalech
Nobody in Local
Of Sound Mind
#13 - 2014-12-14 04:38:28 UTC
Nicholas Hydrictis Niadrian wrote:
Which means I have to learn how to survive lowsec sooner than I thought. Eve UNI teaches you things like that right? Can a trail account rookie with the proper training tackle low sec without getting massacred?



The thing to realize is, even with the best survival skills you will at some point get massacred in low sec, and even with horrible survival skills the loot from low sec data and relic sites will easily cover your ship losses (assuming you fit cheaply, I recommend you do so)

So go out and get massacred!
Orlacc
#14 - 2014-12-14 05:55:38 UTC
The way I am reading OP he is talking only about profession sites not combat sites. If so, the pickings are lean in High Sec.

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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-12-14 09:57:18 UTC
Train in high, then low and in wormholes (now have the null non-combat sites) as yor skills progress, and prepare for doing relics in null finally as an income source.

As I can fly HACs now, I think I will give the DED sites in High a try ...

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Nicholas Hydrictis Niadrian
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2014-12-14 16:37:40 UTC
Trevor Dalech wrote:

The thing to realize is, even with the best survival skills you will at some point get massacred in low sec, and even with horrible survival skills the loot from low sec data and relic sites will easily cover your ship losses (assuming you fit cheaply, I recommend you do so)

So go out and get massacred!



Haha, I try to rationalize losses by "As long as I made more money with this ship than I put in, I won't be too upset when it happens." And yeah, I believe that magnate fit from sir Livingston's videos is around 2-3mill ISK. One lowsec data/relic site should pay that off.

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Specia1 K
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-12-14 21:20:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Specia1 K
You have to ask yourself WHY you are doing exploration. Is it for interesting activity? Profit? Skill refinement?

I do data/relic sites for my alt, who is research/indy. Those items are needed, and I don't want to buy them.
DED sites are for profit and excitement, as I mostly use a frigate and 3s and some unrated can be challenging.
I use exploration as a way to hone my scanning skills. Can also be fun using Combat probes, as the reaction in a system can show you who is paying attentionBlink

With the recent changes, you now have Sleeper sites and far more wormholes than before. Sometimes I just explore, and head through that wh and see what kind of adventure lies ahead...Smile

Can hisec exploration be profitable? Sure. But there is alot of competition for it. Don't be disappointed if someone beats you to the pot of gold.

ps. for those explorers. Please blue your leftover wrecks! Ppl like me will scan them down for salvage/loot. Much thanks.

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Davey Talvanen
Kingsparrow Wormhole Division
Birds of Prey.
#18 - 2014-12-14 22:00:54 UTC
No but however if you go out to null the risk vs. Reward grows and I have lost millions of isk but because I'm careless. A proactive player can easily make some good isk in null. 3mil isk minimum per data site and relic site are worth many times more
Specia1 K
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-12-15 00:41:36 UTC
Nicholas Hydrictis Niadrian wrote:
So this video from Magnasis Drakkenwolf has some what damaged my view on exploration in highsec.



Ok, I finally watched (some) of the video. Lol, I can see why you were put out.

First of all, did you notice that he's doing hisec with his safety OFF, in an Ishtar? DuuuudeRoll
Second, he makes brash assumptions without any degree of certainty ie: "not really worth it...not even going to waste my time on that site" re: desolate site. (btw, I made 120M from the last desolate site & 1 escalation...lol)

"Cuz when it comes to exploration,...I only like to get something that I'm able to make alot of isk from...otherwise it's not really worth it"

tl;dl I stopped watching at this point.
Try wormholes, low or null.

He needs your money...

nuff said.

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#20 - 2014-12-15 08:47:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Gregor Parud
Specia1 K wrote:
Nicholas Hydrictis Niadrian wrote:
So this video from Magnasis Drakkenwolf has some what damaged my view on exploration in highsec.



Ok, I finally watched (some) of the video. Lol, I can see why you were put out.

First of all, did you notice that he's doing hisec with his safety OFF, in an Ishtar? DuuuudeRoll
Second, he makes brash assumptions without any degree of certainty ie: "not really worth it...not even going to waste my time on that site" re: desolate site. (btw, I made 120M from the last desolate site & 1 escalation...lol)

"Cuz when it comes to exploration,...I only like to get something that I'm able to make alot of isk from...otherwise it's not really worth it"

tl;dl I stopped watching at this point.
Try wormholes, low or null.

He needs your money...

nuff said.



Desloate sites make on average a whole lot less than DED/unrated sites, as such it makes good sense to not waste time on them and keep looking for sites that, on average, pay more. So without having watched the video what he's saying right there is logical.
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