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The 2,000 AUR question: take or leave?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#81 - 2011-12-17 02:34:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Disdaine wrote:
So this thing that apparently required a whole lot of development wasn't released in a fully featured state. Seems like a bit of a contradiction there.
Not really, no. Requires a lot of development + not given enough developers = not finished. Don't get me wrong: I kind of agree with you — it most definitely shouldn't require any development time, since it's just a carbon copy of the LP store, but apparently it was a huge deal and very difficult. vOv
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As for the whole industry argument, I'll start supporting it when I can make state issue ravens, vangels, mimirs, quafe zero, genolution implants.
…oh, you mean those things that are unique and one-off gift items, rather than stuff that's supposed to be traded en masse on the market? Yeah, no. That's apples and bacon right there.
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All these things that just drop out of the sky and impinge upon eve's glorious industrial sphere sandbox.
…except that those don't “just drop out of the sky” — they are handed out in very small batches by CCP at very special occasions, rather than continuously generated. None of the NeX items — current or proposed — have any business existing outside of the normal market/industry cycle.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#82 - 2011-12-17 02:34:47 UTC
Disdaine wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

Call me a hopeless idealist. I like to believe that people can be helped to understand things.


That's the way the early missionaries felt.
We must make them understand!


Hmmm, I thought ccp monocle and ccp thousand dollar jeans were the missionaries here trying to spread the holy word of virtual goods to the benighted subscription payment masses of Eve online.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Disdaine
#83 - 2011-12-17 02:52:25 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Disdaine wrote:
So this thing that apparently required a whole lot of development wasn't released in a fully featured state. Seems like a bit of a contradiction there.
Not really, no. Requires a lot of development + not given enough developers = not finished. Don't get me wrong: I kind of agree with you — it most definitely shouldn't require any development time, since it's just a carbon copy of the LP store, but apparently it was a huge deal and very difficult. vOv
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As for the whole industry argument, I'll start supporting it when I can make state issue ravens, vangels, mimirs, quafe zero, genolution implants.
…oh, you mean those things that are unique and one-off gift items, rather than stuff that's supposed to be traded en masse on the market? Yeah, no. That's apples and bacon right there.
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All these things that just drop out of the sky and impinge upon eve's glorious industrial sphere sandbox.
…except that those don't “just drop out of the sky” — they are handed out in very small batches by CCP at very special occasions, rather than continuously generated. None of the NeX items — current or proposed — have any business existing outside of the normal market/industry cycle.


It's ok, I think i get it.

In our hatred of all things NEX we shall turn a blind eye to game changing items being handed out by CCP and instead protest some vanity items available to all and sundry through the NeX or marketplace.
Disdaine
#84 - 2011-12-17 02:57:28 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Disdaine wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

Call me a hopeless idealist. I like to believe that people can be helped to understand things.


That's the way the early missionaries felt.
We must make them understand!


Hmmm, I thought ccp monocle and ccp thousand dollar jeans were the missionaries here trying to spread the holy word of virtual goods to the benighted subscription payment masses of Eve online.


It's ok.

I'll say a prayer to our heathen god for you.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#85 - 2011-12-17 03:06:13 UTC
Disdaine wrote:
It's ok, I think i get it.

In our hatred of all things NEX we shall turn a blind eye to game changing items being handed out by CCP and instead protest some vanity items available to all and sundry through the NeX or marketplace.
As soon as any game-changing items are actually handed out, that might be a relevant question. It hasn't happened so far (apart from T20, which most definitely did not get the blind-eye treatment). And the protest isn't against the vanity items, so that's just as hypothetical.

In short: as you full well know, no, you didn't get it and no, it's not ok.

Not that any of it matters, since the actual point remains the same: the NeX robs the game of new gameplay elements and doesn't serve any useful purpose for players.
Disdaine
#86 - 2011-12-17 03:25:54 UTC
Tippia wrote:
As soon as any game-changing items are actually handed out, that might be a relevant question.


So the free remaps being handed out to those people around to log in and claim them aren't game changing? They certainly seemed game changing during the whole plex4remaps debacle.

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Not that any of it matters, since the actual point remains the same: the NeX robs the game of new gameplay elements and doesn't serve any useful purpose for players.

So the nex store is robbing eve of gameplay elements that weren't available before its conception, and of course not one person has ever bought a single item from the Nex so it isn't serving any useful purpose.

Right. Gotcha.
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
#87 - 2011-12-17 03:34:28 UTC  |  Edited by: T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
Disdaine wrote:
Tippia wrote:
As soon as any game-changing items are actually handed out, that might be a relevant question.


So the free remaps being handed out to those people around to log in and claim them aren't game changing? They certainly seemed game changing during the whole plex4remaps debacle.

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Not that any of it matters, since the actual point remains the same: the NeX robs the game of new gameplay elements and doesn't serve any useful purpose for players.

So the nex store is robbing eve of gameplay elements that weren't available before its conception, and of course not one person has ever bought a single item from the Nex so it isn't serving any useful purpose.

Right. Gotcha.


plex4remap debacle :|

Everyone has equal oppurtunity to get one of these free remaps and the only restriction being that they have to log in and chose that one over the other chrismas present choices - this is not the same as the plex4remap issue. (So many people misunderstood the plex4remap debate and associated threadnoughts it hurts my head just thinking about it.)

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#88 - 2011-12-17 03:53:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Disdaine wrote:
So the free remaps being handed out to those people around to log in and claim them aren't game changing? They certainly seemed game changing during the whole plex4remaps debacle.
…you mean the remaps that are a special one-off gift, rather than something mass-produced? No, they're not game changing, and for that exact reason.
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So the nex store is robbing eve of gameplay elements that weren't available before its conception
No. The NeX doesn't provide any gameplay elements — that's the whole problem. Instead, it robs the game of content and gameplay that would have been freely available hadn't the NeX been conceived and implemented to rob the game of that gameplay.
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and of course not one person has ever bought a single item from the Nex so it isn't serving any useful purpose.
No, it's not. If people have bought stuff from it, then all it has done is rob the game of what could have been useful gameplay features instead. Robbing the game of gameplay is not a useful purpose, and that is all it does.
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Right. Gotcha.
Stop playing dumb. It doesn't improve your (lack of a) case.
Disdaine
#89 - 2011-12-17 03:57:34 UTC
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon wrote:

Everyone has equal oppurtunity to get one of these free remaps don't they? The only restriction being that they have to log in and chose that one over the other chrismas present choices.


I'm just glad our family decided not to go away for a month over xmas again like most other years. Were actually planning on New Zealand for a while.

Would've been annoying to get back and find out I'd missed out on a priceless xmas gift because I have this tendency to avoid computers whilst on holidays.
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
#90 - 2011-12-17 04:05:00 UTC  |  Edited by: T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
Disdaine wrote:
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon wrote:

Everyone has equal oppurtunity to get one of these free remaps don't they? The only restriction being that they have to log in and chose that one over the other chrismas present choices.


I'm just glad our family decided not to go away for a month over xmas again like most other years. Were actually planning on New Zealand for a while.

Would've been annoying to get back and find out I'd missed out on a priceless xmas gift because I have this tendency to avoid computers whilst on holidays.


Aslong as your family isn't huge I have spare room and eve for visitors to NZ Lol

www.shipsofeve.com
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
#91 - 2011-12-17 04:07:07 UTC  |  Edited by: T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

Shall we take them so CCP sees people is interested with the whole barbies in space businnes and the NEx MT scheme?


i actually read that as Nekk Minute scheme.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq36Y-IN6fE

i should go die in a fire Oops

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Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#92 - 2011-12-17 06:51:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Cyprus Black
I will NOT be taking the Aurum for several reasons.

First, there's still no point buying NEX clothing from the store if you're the only one who can see it.

Next, there's no point in dressing up your character if you never turn on WiS.

Then, there's no point to the WiS expansion in general as it was a complete and total debacle.

Finally, the clothing items that are any good cost more than 2000 Aurum which means if I want those other items, I'll have to actually pay the difference out of pocket which I refuse to do.

Summary of EvEs last four expansions: http://imgur.com/ZL5SM33
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
#93 - 2011-12-17 07:27:27 UTC
Cyprus Black wrote:
I will NOT be taking the Aurum for several reasons.

First, there's still no point buying NEX clothing from the store if you're the only one who can see it.

Next, there's no point in dressing up your character if you never turn on WiS.

Then, there's no point to the WiS expansion in general as it was a complete and total debacle.

Finally, the clothing items that are any good cost more than 2000 Aurum which means if I want those other items, I'll have to actually pay the difference out of pocket which I refuse to do.


BUT WE CAN PREVIEW YOUR CHARACTER INGAME! You should look good just incase I go a look'n

www.shipsofeve.com
Lexmana
#94 - 2011-12-17 08:16:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexmana
Disdaine wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

Call me a hopeless idealist. I like to believe that people can be helped to understand things.


That's the way the early missionaries felt.

We must make them understand!

Except that the missionaries of today are trying to sell MT and space barbies.
Disdaine
#95 - 2011-12-17 09:03:17 UTC
Lexmana wrote:
Disdaine wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

Call me a hopeless idealist. I like to believe that people can be helped to understand things.


That's the way the early missionaries felt.

We must make them understand!

Except that the missionaries of today are trying to sell MT and space barbies.


There is only one true god, his name is FiS.

We will not tolerate any other gods.

Heretics and prophets of false religions shall be fed to the lions.
Lexmana
#96 - 2011-12-17 09:36:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexmana
Disdaine wrote:
Lexmana wrote:
Disdaine wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

Call me a hopeless idealist. I like to believe that people can be helped to understand things.


That's the way the early missionaries felt.

We must make them understand!

Except that the missionaries of today are trying to sell MT and space barbies.


There is only one true god, his name is FiS.

We will not tolerate any other gods.

Heretics and prophets of false religions shall be fed to the lions.


You got it completely backwards. There is no god.

We were all happy paying our monthly $$ and playing along with our FiS in EVE. Then you came along telling us that we were not happy att all ... no no ... what we experienced was not "true" happiness .... Though, if we would only succumb to the mighty power of AUR, we could become "truly happy" by spending more time in CQ and NEX playing space barbies instead of flying internet spaceships.
Disdaine
#97 - 2011-12-17 09:58:08 UTC
Lexmana wrote:

We were all happy paying our monthly $$ and playing along with our FiS in EVE. Then you came along telling us that we were not happy att all ... no no ... what we experienced was not "true" happiness .... Though, if we would only succumb to the power of AUR we could become truly happy by spending more time in CQ and NEX playing space barbies instead of flying spaceships in space.


No, we simply spread the word amongst your congregation that there were alternatives. That we could peacefully coexist. That religious diversity is not a bad thing. Shintoism and Buddhism for example. We did not send the CSM on a crusade to destroy WiS and NEX

The problem is always the extremists. Focusing on WiS to the detriment of FiS. Calling for the abolishment of the NEX and WiS.

Why can't we all just get along?
Lucien Visteen
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#98 - 2011-12-17 10:14:36 UTC
Nothing interresting in the store yet. I chose something else. Can always get some currency later if they reveal something good.

The ships hung in the sky in much the same way that bricks don't.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#99 - 2011-12-17 11:31:42 UTC
Disdaine wrote:
No, we simply spread the word amongst your congregation that there were alternatives. That we could peacefully coexist.
Just one problem: there are no alternatives, and as long as one steals from the other, they can't really coexist peacefully…
Disdaine
#100 - 2011-12-17 12:06:49 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Disdaine wrote:
No, we simply spread the word amongst your congregation that there were alternatives. That we could peacefully coexist.
Just one problem: there are no alternatives, and as long as one steals from the other, they can't really coexist peacefully…


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