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Thera turned into usual low/null docking/camping games.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2014-12-13 01:08:52 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Quanah Comanche wrote:
Am I alone in not being very interested in Thera?


Given the fact that its the most deadly system at the moment evidently not.




Ah I see your point but let me ask.

Is it deadly for a reason? Is there some "golden loot"? Some item of value? Something to derive from there? Are the Sisters handing out Level 6 missions or something? Is there something lore-related that could be a game changer?


You see this is an old argument. Players need a better reason than PVP to be there because they are either not interested in it, or are not good at it, or have done it already.

Then there's profit to deal with. I'm no fan of min-maxer ISK obsession (it's just as degenerating to the game as stats obsession IMO) but even the players who care less about ISK and stats cannot find any motivation to help someone elses killboard.

Even a strongly fostered sense of Stockholm Syndrome could not suffice.


So there is no other reason to be there, and not everybody has the same reason.

(and for having pointed that out, there will be the two or three usual forum trolls along soon touting their "this is not single player" and "this is PVP" dogma)

All I can see Thera for at this point is a reason to keep a bunch of ghetto boat T1s handy just in case the local constellation gets a "glory hole" to Thera and there's an itch to lose said ships more dramatically.


Right now its new and shiny and its attracting the magpies. In 3-4 months time you will find a sizable alliance in there using it as a base to raid everything the system comes into contact with.
Darren Airtex
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2014-12-13 01:50:01 UTC
Thera who?

I am not even going to bother my thinking to realize it is there until around the 3 month mark. By that time the newness should wear off of it.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#23 - 2014-12-13 02:01:30 UTC
Aaaaaaand?

No, seriously, what is the point of this ranting?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Memphis Baas
#24 - 2014-12-13 02:03:12 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Is it deadly for a reason?


Armageddon was fun. Thera can be Armageddon forever.

Note: the link is to a 2007 Sisi event, not to the original 2003 one. My Google-fu is not up to the task of finding the original one.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#25 - 2014-12-13 02:34:11 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Quanah Comanche wrote:
Am I alone in not being very interested in Thera?


Given the fact that its the most deadly system at the moment evidently not.




Ah I see your point but let me ask.

Is it deadly for a reason? Is there some "golden loot"? Some item of value? Something to derive from there? Are the Sisters handing out Level 6 missions or something? Is there something lore-related that could be a game changer?


You see this is an old argument. Players need a better reason than PVP to be there because they are either not interested in it, or are not good at it, or have done it already.

Then there's profit to deal with. I'm no fan of min-maxer ISK obsession (it's just as degenerating to the game as stats obsession IMO) but even the players who care less about ISK and stats cannot find any motivation to help someone elses killboard.

Even a strongly fostered sense of Stockholm Syndrome could not suffice.


So there is no other reason to be there, and not everybody has the same reason.

(and for having pointed that out, there will be the two or three usual forum trolls along soon touting their "this is not single player" and "this is PVP" dogma)

All I can see Thera for at this point is a reason to keep a bunch of ghetto boat T1s handy just in case the local constellation gets a "glory hole" to Thera and there's an itch to lose said ships more dramatically.


Right now its new and shiny and its attracting the magpies. In 3-4 months time you will find a sizable alliance in there using it as a base to raid everything the system comes into contact with.



I would like to see that.

Is this a prediction or a plan? Cool

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Serene Repose
#26 - 2014-12-13 04:22:10 UTC
Tell me you aren't surprised. You know where you are, right? Blink

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2014-12-13 04:33:30 UTC
Milla Goodpussy
Garoun Investment Bank
#28 - 2014-12-13 04:49:34 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
NO ONE CARES ABOUT THERA. stop bringing it up.



you guys are planning on taking over jove space and its to become the new rental real estate isn't it?


point is ccp pretends they don't know but they know and prove they know cause they sure are good at showing pretty pie charts and data arnt they?? ccp guard is on watch of zee highest amount of kills ever recorded in eve's history..

these guys must have been boxing promoters in a past life.

but we'll just believe them when they say. ."they don't know".
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2014-12-13 05:01:58 UTC
frigates and pods... the latter mostly because they get stuck there, because Thera is a broken idea from the start.

Help, I can't download EVE

President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2014-12-13 05:39:36 UTC
I told you so...
And many of the others in the wh subforum would have told CCP the exact same thing, as well as even a cursory glance at lowsec trade hubs / minor markets, and the related kills.\
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#31 - 2014-12-13 06:03:11 UTC
say it with me:

to happen, Thera needs one of these things:

massive PVE income
default warpable holes on both sides
CONCORD

Help, I can't download EVE

President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
Sibyyl
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-12-13 06:21:30 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
say it with me:

to happen, Thera needs one of these things:

massive PVE income
default warpable holes on both sides
CONCORD


Or zero broker fees and transaction taxes.

Joffy Aulx-Gao for CSM. Fix links and OGB. Ban stabs from plexes. Fulfill karmic justice.
Nolak Ataru
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#33 - 2014-12-13 06:33:06 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
say it with me:

to happen, Thera needed this thing:

Dev interaction with the userbase.


ftfy
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#34 - 2014-12-13 06:51:18 UTC
also bring forth the head of a dev who thought it was a brilliant plan.

Help, I can't download EVE

President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub

PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
Doomheim
#35 - 2014-12-13 06:59:42 UTC  |  Edited by: NoLife NoFriends StillPosting
baltec1 wrote:
What did you expect from a station?


Is it really so difficult for you to think in possibilities?

I guess it is true that you do practically live on the EVE forums. P

I think to myself, "who would find that worth doing?"Ugh



OP has a point. Its lamer gamer gameplay that makes EVE a joke of a PVP game and could very harmlessly be changed in this one instance of Thera.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#36 - 2014-12-13 07:00:54 UTC
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2014-12-13 07:58:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Well as a wormholler I had high hopes for Thera.

But it turns out it turned into the usual docking games and high-sec hole-camping [redacted word used by homophobes].

People either fight at zero on the high holes, or play docking games.

Noone even thinks of camping true w-w connections - too dangerous and scary, who knows what could be on the other side! Wimps.

I am disappointed. Thera is a null/low playground after all. True wormholes are better.


Did you know that your head is so shiny, an F-117 could pinpoint you with a laser guided bomb?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Aivo Dresden
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-12-13 09:24:08 UTC
I'm actually surprised people expected anything else from this. :D
Seraph Essael
Air
The Initiative.
#39 - 2014-12-13 09:31:24 UTC
I've said it before, when they introduced the idea of Thera, and I will say it again: Thera is literally a really big NPC null system with no local and Jita tendancies.

Everyone knew from the start that it would be a cesspool of docking games and camps.

Quoted from Doc Fury: "Concerned citizens: Doc seldom plays EVE on the weekends during spring and summer, so you will always be on your own for a couple days a week. Doc spends that time collecting kittens for the on-going sacrifices, engaging in reckless outdoor activities, and speaking in the 3rd person."
marVLs
#40 - 2014-12-13 10:49:45 UTC
It's not Thera problem, it's all about that incredible bad/lame gameplay mechanic which is: bubbles