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The 2,000 AUR question: take or leave?
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Disdaine
#61 - 2011-12-16 16:39:13 UTC
Halcyon Ingenium wrote:

I'm taking the aurum for that day when they let us change bloodline and(hopefully and)/or race. Not much else really appealed to me, since I have a remap coming on the 21st anyway.


Ship skins, remaps, character re-customization for aurum please.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#62 - 2011-12-16 16:44:05 UTC
Disdaine wrote:
Halcyon Ingenium wrote:

I'm taking the aurum for that day when they let us change bloodline and(hopefully and)/or race. Not much else really appealed to me, since I have a remap coming on the 21st anyway.


Ship skins, remaps, character re-customization for aurum please.


Why don't you round up your 2 friends and shoot the statue in Jita about it ?

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Disdaine
#63 - 2011-12-16 16:45:16 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Disdaine wrote:
Halcyon Ingenium wrote:

I'm taking the aurum for that day when they let us change bloodline and(hopefully and)/or race. Not much else really appealed to me, since I have a remap coming on the 21st anyway.


Ship skins, remaps, character re-customization for aurum please.


Why don't you round up your 2 friends and shoot the statue in Jita about it ?


How droll.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#64 - 2011-12-16 17:03:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jade Constantine
Disdaine wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Disdaine wrote:
Halcyon Ingenium wrote:

I'm taking the aurum for that day when they let us change bloodline and(hopefully and)/or race. Not much else really appealed to me, since I have a remap coming on the 21st anyway.


Ship skins, remaps, character re-customization for aurum please.


Why don't you round up your 2 friends and shoot the statue in Jita about it ?


How droll.


Well perhaps if you'd like to engage in some intelligent discussion you'd like to begin by explaining why players who already pay a premium-rate subscription for an MMO should be charged extra "microtransactions" for elements of content we have long expected to be added to the core client functionality? Customization of ship skins is something many of us have been waiting for since 2003 and seeing as the graphic framework (v3'ing) is being done on our subscription dollar why do you support the skins being considered optional content that you pay extra for rather than the basis for player to player industrial investment and marketing in game?

Furthermore, why do you believe in pushing convenience microtransactions that provide a skill training advantage into a premium subscription MMO that prides itself on its player led economic sandbox? Whats NeXt? Aurum for skill points? You may as well argue for that if you are going for the remap route.

I may well have been somewhat "droll" to suggest you gather your pair of friends to protest for these changes but the reality of the situation is that your point of view is profoundly unpopular and came close to killing this game last autumn. CCP have now removed head from ass and are moving in the proper direction once more and you want them to go back to the bad old days of CCP monocle and thousand dollar jeans?

Many people would be considerably less polite than I on the subject.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#65 - 2011-12-16 17:13:46 UTC
Remember: The Jita Riot was about 2 years of neglect, not just the NeX; MTs were only the final straw.

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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#66 - 2011-12-16 17:23:41 UTC
Abrazzar wrote:
Remember: The Jita Riot was about 2 years of neglect, not just the NeX; MTs were only the final straw.


Yep, was simply an awful lot of insult to injury that we ended up with 2 years of nothing except a mandatory microtransaction display cabinet (CQ) at the cost of our familiar ship spinning functionality and it didn't help that most of the PR running from CCP came from monocle and thosand dollar jeans.

But I grant you, it was the final straw not the entirety of the issue.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Nyla Skin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#67 - 2011-12-16 21:25:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Nyla Skin
Jade Constantine wrote:

Good. Seems the Eve developers have come to see Aurum in exactly the same light that players opposed to Microtransactions contaminating Eve online do.


There were no microtransactions.

I havent been able to log in for weeks, although hopefully I can next week once the last parts for my new pc arrive.

I didnt see anything that I liked though, I dont need remaps or aurum. I wish ccp would remove nex store so it could be blissfully forgotten. If there was quafe zero I would propably take it and wonder where I might use it.

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Nyla Skin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#68 - 2011-12-16 21:33:58 UTC
*double post

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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#69 - 2011-12-16 21:39:41 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Abrazzar wrote:
Remember: The Jita Riot was about 2 years of neglect, not just the NeX; MTs were only the final straw.


Yep, was simply an awful lot of insult to injury that we ended up with 2 years of nothing except a mandatory microtransaction display cabinet (CQ) at the cost of our familiar ship spinning functionality and it didn't help that most of the PR running from CCP came from monocle and thosand dollar jeans.

But I grant you, it was the final straw not the entirety of the issue.


PLEX is still the only microtransaction in the game.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#70 - 2011-12-16 22:09:38 UTC  |  Edited by: oldbutfeelingyoung
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
(Context: CCP is giving out holiday gifts, which can be chosen from the accout management system. One of the gifts are 2,000 Aurum)


What to do?

Shall we take them so CCP sees people is interested with the whole barbies in space businnes and the NEx MT scheme?

Or shall we leave them, as the NEx is pointlessly devoid while heaps of interesting stuff that work on Sisi are being held as placeholders at TQ for no good reason, and anyway the current MEGA-transaction prices are a bloody ripoff?

Or shall we hope (what else can we do? Shikata na gai!) that in the next days CCP will say something about the WiS issue so we can make an informed decission?

Or at least could we be assured that we won't be scammed by CCP's future actions if we take those AUR instead of something else we can use/sell/give away?



even a station barbie like me don,t want NEX so pls don,t mix WIS and NEX up
Every body didn,t like the closed door but NEX did it for a lot of players, that and some documents

R.S.I2014
Disdaine
#71 - 2011-12-17 01:58:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Disdaine
Jade Constantine wrote:

Customization of ship skins is something many of us have been waiting for since 2003 and seeing as the graphic framework (v3'ing) is being done on our subscription dollar why do you support the skins being considered optional content that you pay extra for rather than the basis for player to player industrial investment and marketing in game?


I don't believe my subscription entitles me to anything more than logging in and playing the game as provided and I have no problem with not being able to manufacture vanity items. I can't manufacture the new implants or Quafe Zero so I'm not about to start complaining that I can't manufacture a shirt.

Quote:

Furthermore, why do you believe in pushing convenience microtransactions that provide a skill training advantage into a premium subscription MMO that prides itself on its player led economic sandbox? Whats NeXt? Aurum for skill points? You may as well argue for that if you are going for the remap route.


The day CCP starts handing out free skill points to everyone as yearly gifts so long as you don't go away on holidays over christmas then yes, I will tolerate skill training boosters available for aurum. But they won't, so I don't.


Quote:
the reality of the situation is that your point of view is profoundly unpopular and came close to killing this game last autumn. CCP have now removed head from ass and are moving in the proper direction once more and you want them to go back to the bad old days of CCP monocle and thousand dollar jeans?


Ahh, so NEX was killing eve. I thought for a while that it was CCP focusing on WiS, WoD and Dust to the exclusion of most everything else that was the problem, not a few clothes developed using the already integrated character creator and a hastily hobbled together storefront providing me the opportunity to purchase vanity items for ISK.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#72 - 2011-12-17 02:05:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Disdaine wrote:
Damn shame.

Service that didn't exist before, didn't require a lot of development, provided a nice isk sink and didn't impinge upon anybodies gameplay.
What? We're talking about the NeX here: that thing that apparently required a whole lot of development (since it wasn't released at a fully-featured state); which provided no ISK sink (since it didn't accept ISK… or indeed, anything as payment due to the aforementioned development problems); and which impinged on the entire industrial sphere of EVE.

It was killed because it served no purpose in EVE… well, not to the players at least. It provides nothing that cannot be done far better through other means. The farther away they move from the NeX, the better off the game will be as a result.

You seem to confuse it with the LP store or something.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#73 - 2011-12-17 02:08:56 UTC
I took it.
My combat Barbie fund will some day be the envy of EVE.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#74 - 2011-12-17 02:23:06 UTC
Disdaine wrote:
I don't believe my subscription entitles me to anything more than logging in and playing the game as provided and I have no problem with not being able to manufacture vanity items. I can't manufacture the new implants or Quafe Zero so I'm not about to start complaining that I can't manufacture a shirt.


Your point of view perhaps, but it is a minority one. Why should the fact you don't mind paying microtransaction fees on top of premium subs mean that other players who disagree should be denied the content they want and ability to manufacture and retail customization items in game? I think you are arguing the case as a gamer who has gotten used to MT models in other games and you are trying to bring them to Eve where they simply don't fit.

Quote:
The day CCP starts handing out free skill points to everyone as yearly gifts so long as you don't go away on holidays over christmas then yes, I will tolerate skill training boosters available for aurum. But they won't, so I don't.


You just argued for skill remaps for aurum. The two things are related.

Quote:
Ahh, so NEX was killing eve. I thought for a while that it was CCP focusing on WiS, WoD and Dust to the exclusion of most everything else that was the problem, not a few clothes developed using the already integrated character creator and a hastily hobbled together storefront providing me the opportunity to purchase vanity items for ISK.


Again these things are related.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Disdaine
#75 - 2011-12-17 02:25:07 UTC
Tippia wrote:

What? We're talking about the NeX here: that thing that apparently required a whole lot of development (since it wasn't released at a fully-featured state); which provided no ISK sink (since it didn't accept ISK… or indeed, anything as payment due to the aforementioned development problems); and which impinged on the entire industrial sphere of EVE.


So this thing that apparently required a whole lot of development wasn't released in a fully featured state. Seems like a bit of a contradiction there.

As for the whole industry argument, I'll start supporting it when I can make state issue ravens, vangels, mimirs, quafe zero, genolution implants. All these things that just drop out of the sky and impinge upon eve's glorious industrial sphere sandbox.
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
#76 - 2011-12-17 02:26:25 UTC
Jade Constantine wrote:
Disdaine wrote:
I don't believe my subscription entitles me to anything more than logging in and playing the game as provided and I have no problem with not being able to manufacture vanity items. I can't manufacture the new implants or Quafe Zero so I'm not about to start complaining that I can't manufacture a shirt.


Your point of view perhaps, but it is a minority one. Why should the fact you don't mind paying microtransaction fees on top of premium subs mean that other players who disagree should be denied the content they want and ability to manufacture and retail customization items in game? I think you are arguing the case as a gamer who has gotten used to MT models in other games and you are trying to bring them to Eve where they simply don't fit.

Quote:
The day CCP starts handing out free skill points to everyone as yearly gifts so long as you don't go away on holidays over christmas then yes, I will tolerate skill training boosters available for aurum. But they won't, so I don't.


You just argued for skill remaps for aurum. The two things are related.

Quote:
Ahh, so NEX was killing eve. I thought for a while that it was CCP focusing on WiS, WoD and Dust to the exclusion of most everything else that was the problem, not a few clothes developed using the already integrated character creator and a hastily hobbled together storefront providing me the opportunity to purchase vanity items for ISK.


Again these things are related.


keep banging your head against the wall jade, these ones are lost to us forever.

www.shipsofeve.com
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#77 - 2011-12-17 02:26:40 UTC
Nyla Skin wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:

Good. Seems the Eve developers have come to see Aurum in exactly the same light that players opposed to Microtransactions contaminating Eve online do.


There were no microtransactions.

I havent been able to log in for weeks, although hopefully I can next week once the last parts for my new pc arrive.

I didnt see anything that I liked though, I dont need remaps or aurum. I wish ccp would remove nex store so it could be blissfully forgotten. If there was quafe zero I would propably take it and wonder where I might use it.


I think there is Quafe Zero in the gift selection.

But on the MT point. Sure, if you want to describe Microtransactions as "micro" then yep, what CCP did with NeX store would be properly called "macrotransaction" or just plain stupid. But perhaps its overcomplicating matters to come with multiple terms for what is a loading of cash shop content onto an existing subscription game to make this "hybrid" model.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Jenshae Chiroptera
#78 - 2011-12-17 02:26:41 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

What to do?

Shall we take them so CCP sees people is interested with the whole barbies in space businnes and the NEx MT scheme?


Some people are tgambling on the Aur while keeping in mind that the free Aur might dry up, then contract prices for junk will rise and they can make a lot of ISK on something that was free.

Thing is, will CCP stop giving out free Aur and how long would it take for the value of the goods to rise?

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#79 - 2011-12-17 02:28:04 UTC
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:
Disdaine wrote:
I don't believe my subscription entitles me to anything more than logging in and playing the game as provided and I have no problem with not being able to manufacture vanity items. I can't manufacture the new implants or Quafe Zero so I'm not about to start complaining that I can't manufacture a shirt.


Your point of view perhaps, but it is a minority one. Why should the fact you don't mind paying microtransaction fees on top of premium subs mean that other players who disagree should be denied the content they want and ability to manufacture and retail customization items in game? I think you are arguing the case as a gamer who has gotten used to MT models in other games and you are trying to bring them to Eve where they simply don't fit.

Quote:
The day CCP starts handing out free skill points to everyone as yearly gifts so long as you don't go away on holidays over christmas then yes, I will tolerate skill training boosters available for aurum. But they won't, so I don't.


You just argued for skill remaps for aurum. The two things are related.

Quote:
Ahh, so NEX was killing eve. I thought for a while that it was CCP focusing on WiS, WoD and Dust to the exclusion of most everything else that was the problem, not a few clothes developed using the already integrated character creator and a hastily hobbled together storefront providing me the opportunity to purchase vanity items for ISK.


Again these things are related.


keep banging your head against the wall jade, these ones are lost to us forever.


Call me a hopeless idealist. I like to believe that people can be helped to understand things.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Disdaine
#80 - 2011-12-17 02:31:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Disdaine
Jade Constantine wrote:

Call me a hopeless idealist. I like to believe that people can be helped to understand things.


That's the way the early missionaries felt.

We must make them understand!