EVE General Discussion

Hi All,

As a miner, i come across this all the time, but what i don't understand is, why so much hate towards miners?

Eve is a sandbox that every game wants to be, where people get to make there own stories, it's not whole PVP, PVE or whatever.

So why the hate?

Because EVE is the sandbox game that every game wants to be,
where people get to make their own stories.

Besides it being "whole PvP" and you not understanding what PvP means,
the hate on miners simply is a part of the sandbox.

Sandbox = you don't need a reason, therefore it is pointless to ponder why.

Spend your time figuring out how to use the hate to your advantage instead.

It's not a case of hate (at least, in my point of view). It's more that you're the limp Gazelle in a plain of Lions.

This has been for years. Many, many years.
I don't really know and could only guesstimate.

And my guesstimation is actually a pretty good one.


.) Most miners don't play the game.
No, watching youtube while having the client running does not mean one is playing the game.


.) Many miners are outright liars.
Saying that one is enjoying mining is a lie. Watching youtube while having the client open
does not - in any way or form - have anything to do with enjoying mining.

One can not enjoy mining. It's not a thing one can do, unless one enjoys staring at the lasers,
enjoys watching the cycletimer, enjoys seeing rocks drop into the cargo-/ore-hold.
As this literally equals watching paint drying, one can safely say that mining can not be enjoyed.

One could enjoy watching local and checking d-scan constantly, yes. One could enjoy being social
while mining, yes. One could enjoy watching youtube while mining, yes ...

... but all of these have nothing to do with mining per se.

.) Many miners don't really understand the game.
While certainly the amount of crybaby threads from weak minds who think they should be allowed
to mine in peace have diminished ... someone who mines for the ISK and max yield has no clue
wtf he is doing.

.) Many miners are clueless beyond measurement.
Every time a miner says "What would you do if it wasn't for us miners?" I wonder how this person
actually deals with his everyday-life. Why? Because people are flexible. If those who mined right now
stopped doing it, nobody would bat an eye. If, in the rare case that indeed nobody mined for an extended
period of time, mineral prices actually went up because supply dried out, other people would simply start
mining because it would be actually worth it ... which brings me to the next point ...

... .) Many miners are clueless beyond measurement.
People who whine that mining isn't worth it because mineral prices are too low, have no understanding
of how the market works. Almost everything is built from minerals that are being mined, (ore->refine->minerals)
which means that the price of goods built with minerals is connected to the price of minerals themselves.

That means that, when mineral prices rise, the price of almost everything in the game goes up as well.
Not instantly of course, no, but over time it does. From the perspective of relative value, miners pretty
much always earn the same, no matter how high or low the number is.



I'm sure I forgot one or two insulting points and I sincerely apologise to all those miners who actually aren't
clueless beyond measurement, tank their ships, don't mine afk or simply are smart enough not to
mine in systems near tradehubs/-routes.

So ... sorry, Dave Stark and Sibyyl, I really didn't mean to insult you.



Not all miners are equal, but the majority of them is just not worth the entries in the database.



I hope that cleared it up for you. :)

Yep. This is a good way of saying it. I enjoy being in an unarmed can on the verge of being shot at. I think it's a fun mechanic.

It takes literally zero effort to find a miner to gank versus, say, hunting a cov ops exploration vessel doing null-sec sites. Both are harvesting, but one takes an active interest in making sure not to get caught while the other is generally watching Netflix.

It's not necessarily "hate", just disdain that someone is affecting the game without really playing it.

Sandbox means everybody can do their thing. Question is can you do yours, while they do theirs?

If so, let them hate.

If not, get friends and kill them

People hate miners because they think that EVE is a PVP only game and for the most part it is. Many of the miner haters are trolling because it is fun but others don't like miners because they think they are playing the game wrong because they are not PVPing. It is the same as miners hating gankers and null pilots hating AFK cloakers. Those haters think the other side is playing the game wrong and one of the only ways to fight back against what they feel is wrong is to troll.

Mining is boring, gate camping is boring, huge TiDi fleet fights are boring, FW plexing is boring, industrial click fests are boring, probing is boring, scouting is boring and like someone else said, EVE is a boring game. The only thing that makes EVE worth a damn is the players that fill the space. I don't enjoy PVP and some pilots can't understand that and it isn't something bad towards them, it's just how they view the game. Miners do get a lot of hate but I don't think it is directed to the miner but more to the the idea that they are doing wrong.

Some players seem to get really jealous butthurt when you don't play EVE the way they think you should, especially if you are somehow having fun doing it.