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Chameleon Cloak

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Redd Dredd
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-12-10 07:33:54 UTC
Suicide empire gankers got you down? Tired of losing your ore to ore thieves? I present to you the "Chameleon Cloak". This cloak while fitted and activated would act just like a regular cloak, but instead of making you invisible, it will make you look like a different ship. So, as the ore thief steals what he thinks is an ore can sitting by an innocent Retriever, the Deimos pilot disengages the cloak and the fight is on. OR, if you train up for the Chameleon Cloak II, then as you jump through the gate with those 3 battleship BPOs in your hold in what appears to be your trusty Sigil, and the gank squad scans you and locks you down, you disengage the cloak to reveal the Harbinger you are really flying and carnage ensues.

I'd suggest that the Chameleon cloak can only make you look like the same class of ship. You can't cloak a frig to look like a titan, (although this would be quite hilarious) I'd say go ship class size. Frigs and destroyers can look like any other frig or destroyer, Cruisers and BCs likewise and so on. (I suppose you could cloak your Nyx to look like an Erebus.) This will add a twist to PVP as well as give suicide gankers reason to pause. Is it a Hulk, or is it a trap?

I would also suggest that the cloak is a scripted module (high or mid slot?) that allows you to pick the ship you wish to chameleon to when the cloak is engaged. The cloak should have penalties similar to current cloaks. Activating any module disengages the cloke, as well as possibly being scanned, or proximity?

And there you have it.
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-12-10 10:27:55 UTC
inB4 quit EVE and go play Starsiege



I like it, as long as it has some of the regular cloaking penalties. Doesn't need a movement speed penalty, but it should prevent module onlining, and you should be decloaked if someone gets close to you. You should be able to warp while chameleon cloaked, but not able to mine. But perhaps you could activate chameleon strip miners so that it looks like you are mining....

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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-12-10 11:03:34 UTC
I'm assuming that this would be an active module as with a normal cloak and that your real ship would be shown in the overview until the cloak is active. Not sure on this one...
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-12-10 11:17:52 UTC
There are still several little bits of evidence you are using the cloak:

1.) as you come out of gate cloak, there is a brief moment to see what you really are on the overview
2.) it might cause a display effect that lasts for a couple seconds after activation
3.) perhaps it has a sound effect other pilots can hear
4.) when scanning or target-locking your ship, your signature radius may be discovered to not match with the ship you appear to be
5.) staying away from other ships/structures/LCOs
6.) no modules active
7.) potentially doing something other than what the ship you're pretending to be would do

These and other clues may give away the ship's true identity to a keen onlooker.

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Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Onyxa Lundra
United Operations 101
#5 - 2014-12-10 15:21:26 UTC
You can't cloak a frig to look like a titan, (although this would be quite hilarious)

Easy to imagine major trade hubs hiden in mass numbers of titans......
Tabyll Altol
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2014-12-10 15:35:21 UTC
Redd Dredd wrote:
Suicide empire gankers got you down? Tired of losing your ore to ore thieves? I present to you the "Chameleon Cloak". This cloak while fitted and activated would act just like a regular cloak, but instead of making you invisible, it will make you look like a different ship. So, as the ore thief steals what he thinks is an ore can sitting by an innocent Retriever, the Deimos pilot disengages the cloak and the fight is on. OR, if you train up for the Chameleon Cloak II, then as you jump through the gate with those 3 battleship BPOs in your hold in what appears to be your trusty Sigil, and the gank squad scans you and locks you down, you disengage the cloak to reveal the Harbinger you are really flying and carnage ensues.

I'd suggest that the Chameleon cloak can only make you look like the same class of ship. You can't cloak a frig to look like a titan, (although this would be quite hilarious) I'd say go ship class size. Frigs and destroyers can look like any other frig or destroyer, Cruisers and BCs likewise and so on. (I suppose you could cloak your Nyx to look like an Erebus.) This will add a twist to PVP as well as give suicide gankers reason to pause. Is it a Hulk, or is it a trap?

I would also suggest that the cloak is a scripted module (high or mid slot?) that allows you to pick the ship you wish to chameleon to when the cloak is engaged. The cloak should have penalties similar to current cloaks. Activating any module disengages the cloke, as well as possibly being scanned, or proximity?

And there you have it.


Bad idea -1
Redd Dredd
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-12-11 04:25:05 UTC
Tabyll Altol wrote:
Redd Dredd wrote:
Suicide empire gankers got you down? Tired of losing your ore to ore thieves? I present to you the "Chameleon Cloak". This cloak while fitted and activated would act just like a regular cloak, but instead of making you invisible, it will make you look like a different ship. So, as the ore thief steals what he thinks is an ore can sitting by an innocent Retriever, the Deimos pilot disengages the cloak and the fight is on. OR, if you train up for the Chameleon Cloak II, then as you jump through the gate with those 3 battleship BPOs in your hold in what appears to be your trusty Sigil, and the gank squad scans you and locks you down, you disengage the cloak to reveal the Harbinger you are really flying and carnage ensues.

I'd suggest that the Chameleon cloak can only make you look like the same class of ship. You can't cloak a frig to look like a titan, (although this would be quite hilarious) I'd say go ship class size. Frigs and destroyers can look like any other frig or destroyer, Cruisers and BCs likewise and so on. (I suppose you could cloak your Nyx to look like an Erebus.) This will add a twist to PVP as well as give suicide gankers reason to pause. Is it a Hulk, or is it a trap?

I would also suggest that the cloak is a scripted module (high or mid slot?) that allows you to pick the ship you wish to chameleon to when the cloak is engaged. The cloak should have penalties similar to current cloaks. Activating any module disengages the cloke, as well as possibly being scanned, or proximity?

And there you have it.


Bad idea -1

Could you elaborate?
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#8 - 2014-12-11 06:06:58 UTC
Like many ideas so far as of late, this could be either the very worst idea in Eve history, or one that is destined to become the most absolutely and hilariously sinister feature to grace the server.

I think it's a little bit of both; bad in that it is far from original (it's been suggested and asked for before several times), but I agree it would be rather amusing to say the least for a frig to dress up as a titan. Imagine the confusion of this happening within high-sec.

Eh, -1 for originality, but +2 because I still think it would drive people up a wall in a humorous way.

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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#9 - 2014-12-11 07:09:10 UTC
Came expecting a thread about cloaks on the Chameleon.

Not sure what to make of this.
Komi Toran
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2014-12-11 07:19:54 UTC
Did that freighter just alpha my Domi?
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2014-12-11 08:53:20 UTC
I like the idea, the speed (and agility) the ship actually has will be the most obvious tell.
NEONOVUS
Mindstar Technology
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2014-12-11 19:08:06 UTC
Perhaps have it restricted to a script for the cloak, though I like the idea of a random item.
The scripts would be useful for limiting the aforemented titans everywhere, as you could have them be disposable and/or expensive.
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-12-11 20:54:33 UTC
Personally, I like this idea.

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Rino00 Madeveda
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2014-12-11 21:05:37 UTC
I like this idea the concept. The idea for pvp would make suicide ganking more risky, and allowing some very interesting strategies to be used to get into fights.
Old Man Parmala
Doomheim
#15 - 2014-12-11 21:17:36 UTC
It's interesting esp in reverse... just a bunch of ventures coming... oh... no.. catalysts... NOO
Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
#16 - 2014-12-11 21:22:12 UTC
This would no doubt be the most powerful mod ever
Foxicity
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-12-11 21:28:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Foxicity
Pretty overpowered. Needs a counter. For example, ship scanner shows actual ship, or close proximity (cloak distance, what, 2000m?) decloaks the ship. Even if the module ran your cap to 0 and held it there, it would still be overpowered. Maybe a 90% nerf to scan res and lock range. Cool original idea though. Would like to see realistic details hashed out.
Jacid
Corvix.
#18 - 2014-12-11 21:38:24 UTC
Its been suggested before but I liked it then and Ill like it now.

I think it should allow "cloaking" up or down one class size. For example a maller could look like a harby or a Retribution but not a abaddon. I think you should be decloaked only when someone engages you or if they get within 2500m of you. It would allow a harby to bait a bunch of destroyers while using a miner 1 on nearby rocks.

Scan probes could show the correct ship when scanned to 100% as well as modules like ship scanners and cargo scanners.
If someone fired weapons on the cloaked ship it should also decloak it.

All in all it sounds like a fun addition to eve CCP should add it to the top of their list.
Altirius Saldiaro
Doomheim
#19 - 2014-12-11 21:47:36 UTC
I really like this idea a lot.

This would be great in wormholes. We already steal ship tags from dscan to blend in with the locals.
Mike Azariah
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2014-12-11 21:56:44 UTC
Counter?

Why not have the cloak an overview only effect? If you actually LOOK at the ship then you see what it is. No more shooting reds, you want eyes on the actual bird.

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