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Parallel Alignment

Author
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-12-11 06:02:19 UTC
When in fleet, you can choose a member and Under fleet their would be an option for

"Parallel alignment with"

This means, when warping to a point that not everyone in fleet are able to align, they can simply choose parallel alignment with their fleet/wing/squad commander.
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#2 - 2014-12-11 13:16:39 UTC
Much needed for boxers who are losing the ability to broadcast. +1

Talking more,

Flying crazier,

And drinking more

Making battleships worth the warp

Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2014-12-11 14:56:04 UTC
This is kinda more for fleets scanning down targets. Only the person with the probes can warp to the target, so everyone needs to be able to align somehow.

This also applies to fleet missions. Only the mission holder can warp to target.
MainDrain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-12-11 15:07:16 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:
This is kinda more for fleets scanning down targets. Only the person with the probes can warp to the target, so everyone needs to be able to align somehow.

This also applies to fleet missions. Only the mission holder can warp to target.


Just make the person scanning or running the missions the squad commander, they can then warp squad, or wing etc etc
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-12-11 15:43:37 UTC
MainDrain wrote:
Joe Risalo wrote:
This is kinda more for fleets scanning down targets. Only the person with the probes can warp to the target, so everyone needs to be able to align somehow.

This also applies to fleet missions. Only the mission holder can warp to target.


Just make the person scanning or running the missions the squad commander, they can then warp squad, or wing etc etc


that's precisely the point of this.
That person can be squad commander, but it's hard to get the whole fleet aligned on a target that doesn't exist for a lot of people.
Also, if you have out of corp fleet members, they wouldn't be able to see corp BMs if you attempted to use them.


My point is, if you could just parallel align with your f/w/s commander, then warping a full fleet so that everyone lands on grid at the same time would be doable, as everyone would be aligned with you, IE aligned to destination.

It's not about who can warp there and who can't, it's about fleet warping.
Iain Cariaba
#6 - 2014-12-11 16:44:08 UTC
Joe Risalo wrote:
MainDrain wrote:
Joe Risalo wrote:
This is kinda more for fleets scanning down targets. Only the person with the probes can warp to the target, so everyone needs to be able to align somehow.

This also applies to fleet missions. Only the mission holder can warp to target.


Just make the person scanning or running the missions the squad commander, they can then warp squad, or wing etc etc


that's precisely the point of this.
That person can be squad commander, but it's hard to get the whole fleet aligned on a target that doesn't exist for a lot of people.
Also, if you have out of corp fleet members, they wouldn't be able to see corp BMs if you attempted to use them.


My point is, if you could just parallel align with your f/w/s commander, then warping a full fleet so that everyone lands on grid at the same time would be doable, as everyone would be aligned with you, IE aligned to destination.

It's not about who can warp there and who can't, it's about fleet warping.

Because the prober can't see what celestial is closest to the target and have you align there?
Because the prober can't align, and have fleet approach him, there by getting everyone aligned?

There are already solutions to your problem, we don't need further automation in fleets. Next you'll be asking for a fleet jump command to further take fleets into the realm of ISBoxer.
Joe Risalo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2014-12-11 16:51:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Joe Risalo
Iain Cariaba wrote:
Joe Risalo wrote:
MainDrain wrote:
Joe Risalo wrote:
This is kinda more for fleets scanning down targets. Only the person with the probes can warp to the target, so everyone needs to be able to align somehow.

This also applies to fleet missions. Only the mission holder can warp to target.


Just make the person scanning or running the missions the squad commander, they can then warp squad, or wing etc etc


that's precisely the point of this.
That person can be squad commander, but it's hard to get the whole fleet aligned on a target that doesn't exist for a lot of people.
Also, if you have out of corp fleet members, they wouldn't be able to see corp BMs if you attempted to use them.


My point is, if you could just parallel align with your f/w/s commander, then warping a full fleet so that everyone lands on grid at the same time would be doable, as everyone would be aligned with you, IE aligned to destination.

It's not about who can warp there and who can't, it's about fleet warping.

Because the prober can't see what celestial is closest to the target and have you align there?
Because the prober can't align, and have fleet approach him, there by getting everyone aligned?

There are already solutions to your problem, we don't need further automation in fleets. Next you'll be asking for a fleet jump command to further take fleets into the realm of ISBoxer.


You're under the assumption that I'm give the fleet commander the ability to align everyone.
this is not what I said.
What I am suggesting is no different than clicking warp to a fleet member.

When it comes to fleets, this is probably the only inhibitor on combat that isn't really necessary.
People make mistakes, but the fleet not having everyone fully aligned is not a mistake(depending on situation), it's an issue on perspective.

How far out the camera is set, objects near or around the alignment direction that could throw off your perspective, etc. etc. etc.

We have an option to keep a target at a certain range, which means the ships are capable of what i'm suggesting. (lore)

As far as following a target, this takes a significant amount of time to perform, depending on fleet size, and you can still be out of alignment to target if you're not perfectly in line.


Edit...
Also, aligning the fleet with the nearest celestial doesn't fix the issue, as ships have different agility.
Alundil
Rolled Out
#8 - 2014-12-11 18:18:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Alundil
OP - you're describing a problem and seeking a solution, via code, that can and SHOULD be rectified by proper fleet command and discipline.

To your point that fleet members can't see the alignment target of the prober - that's true but it is trivially easy to tell fleet (or "x" component of fleet) to align up or down or some other direction or align some celestial or warpable point in space. If they are unable to accomplish this simple task that means they need more practice (and/or penalty when they fail to accomplish this simple task).

Aligning to bookmarks might work, as you pointed out, for corp members. But even that option fails to meet the ease and efficiency of simply "Ordering an alignment" because fleet members might be out of corp or the bookmark is new and hasn't propagated to everyone yet.

In all cases of aligning - a simple verbal command is going to be faster and should be clearer than any coded method. Commanding a fleet requires the ability to give clear direction. Being in a fleet requires the ability to listen and follow that direction. If either of those two parts are deficient, more practice is the answer.

I'm right behind you