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Stopping new players from doing missions for 4 hours?

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TRONEON
GAME GRID
#1 - 2014-12-11 08:46:45 UTC  |  Edited by: TRONEON
I am only 6 days into playing but something is stopping me enjoying the game as a new player. I am doing lvl 3 missions currently but my agent keeps giving me faction missions against caldari and amarr, there is no other agent nearby to do other missions with and I have to keep waiting 4 hours to continue.

Is there any way to speed this 4 hours up or am I stuck not playing the game every time this happens?

Seems like a really stupid game design that stops new players from playing the game for 4 hours everytime this happens, which is pretty often and annoying.

The standings loss is pretty huge especially with one of the missions I did that had a huge hit on standings against amarr. I just don't understand this game design, I don't want to take huge standings losses so I decline the missions, but then I am forced to wait 4 hours to play the game again or risk more standings losses from agents and corps?

Just makes no sense. If you want new players to enjoy the game I suggest you come up with a new game design that is not so annoying, frustrating and stopping new players from enjoying mission content within a week of playing the game.

At this rate I am better off going back to lvl 2 missions when this did not happen as much.
Deck Cadelanne
CAStabouts
#2 - 2014-12-11 08:52:09 UTC
If the sort of mission your agent is handing out are missions you don't want, I hate to say it but you need to change to an agent from a different faction. Either that, or accept the missions and the negative standings with those other factions that come with them.

I know it might seem like a hassle at first, but this might be a good excuse to go explore the game a bit more.

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."

- Hunter S. Thompson

vexille Solette
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2014-12-11 08:56:52 UTC
decisions have consequences. your only options are to move around to other agents or take the standings hit. also don't do story line agents if you don't wont to lose other factions standings.
voetius
Grundrisse
#4 - 2014-12-11 09:05:42 UTC
There are a limited number of missions and each agent has its own "pool" of missions from which it selects at random to give you.

Navy agents like Federal Navy, Caldari Navy, etc typically give out more anti-faction missions. So the solution is to work for a different agent. Agents for the Science type corporations, such as Roden Shipyards and Dulvolle Labs almost always offer fewer anti-faction missions.

Another thing to consider is that more people use the Navy agents so their LP stores are usually "worse" in terms of cashing in Loyalty Points, and Science type corps, although they have some crossover in their LP stores typically have items that are not found in the Navy stores and so are a better deal for you.

I would look at Roden Shipyards if you are based in Gallente space, they have one of the best level 4 security agents in Essence and another good one in Verge Vendor. Roden is also one of the Gallente R&D corporations so at some point you might want to use their R&D facilities and agents.
TRONEON
GAME GRID
#5 - 2014-12-11 09:40:06 UTC
Think I may have to train for mining to give myself something else to do while I wait for 4-8hours everytime this stupid thing happens.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#6 - 2014-12-11 10:08:04 UTC
Twisted
TRONEON wrote:
Think I may have to train for mining to give myself something else to do while I wait for 4-8hours everytime this stupid thing happens.

better idea, train combat probes and **** with the other mission runners .
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#7 - 2014-12-11 10:13:19 UTC
Or you just take the standing hit for now and run missions for the Faction you have "hurt" later on. You can also decline a mission once every 4 hours from the same agent without losing standings. The game design is that a dedicated mission runner will have to appease to all 4 empires, or decide on a favourite side and stick with it.
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2014-12-11 10:13:48 UTC
You should change your approach to the game. This isn't like other MMOs where you "quest" yourself to glory.

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

That gives you an idea of just how much you can do. Look at EVE from a new angle and you'll enjoy it far more.

Grrr.

TRONEON
GAME GRID
#9 - 2014-12-11 10:58:30 UTC  |  Edited by: TRONEON
I decided to try out mining more in the venture in 0.5 / high sec anomaly sites, found a hedbergite site making 4-5 mill an hour which is more than I can with lvl 3's and the poor game design around them, gives me something else to do when sometimes having to wait 4-8 hours between lvl 3 missions is a bloody joke for new players.....

Went with this fit for now to mine in 0.5 and above.

[Venture, Venture]
Mining Laser Upgrade I

Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Medium Subordinate Screen Stabilizer I
Survey Scanner II

Cu Vapor Particle Bore Stream I
Cu Vapor Particle Bore Stream I

Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I


Really hope CCP considers that sometimes these agents give you 2-3 faction npc missions in a row so sometimes you are 8-12 hours of not playing or waiting to do missions.

I may give up on missions completely and do something else, since if I am having to reject missions all the time due to standings loss and constantly being told "sorry we dont want you to play our content for 4-12 hours please GTFO" then it is not worth the waiting time and loss of game time / isk making.

I know some people will disagree but it's my opinion, it's not fun or good game design, especially for new players. It's even made me think if it's worth subscribing after my trial ends.
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#10 - 2014-12-11 11:16:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Pak Narhoo
Have you done cosmos missions yet?

Your problem seems to be the agent, why not move to another one?
Best place for a mission runner is a station with 2 agents of the same level so you can switch between the two if you get a mission you don't like.

To be honest, I never gave a |(youknowwhatBlink) about my standings. Only thing you need to avoid are the missions you get after completing 16 missions and *that* one is a faction kill mission. Those (can) give you a huge standings hit.

With diplomacy 5 you can kill a *lot* of faction npc's without getting shot at by npc police in hostile faction space.

I've done a lot of missions and never ever gotten my standings so down the npc police came after me.



Edit: if you get a faction kill mission see if you can blitz it without killing everything, you get a hit but less then when you go all Dexter Morgan on them.
Centis Adjani
Adjani Corporation
#11 - 2014-12-11 11:47:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Centis Adjani
TRONEON wrote:
I may give up on missions completely and do something else, since if I am having to reject missions all the time due to standings loss and constantly being told "sorry we dont want you to play our content for 4-12 hours please GTFO" then it is not worth the waiting time and loss of game time / isk making.

I know some people will disagree but it's my opinion, it's not fun or good game design, especially for new players. It's even made me think if it's worth subscribing after my trial ends.

The design is made because you should not do missions for ONE agent/corp only.
You should get to know the universe and fly around.

Do missions simultanously for different agents in different stations / different corps.
Open the Agent finder and search for a system or constellation were several agents of
the level you want are around in different stations.

And additional you can fly for different factions simultaniously. Because in space of one faction
(Gallente for example) exist stations / corps from the other factions (Caldari, Minimatar, Amarr) too.

In wait times of one Agent which gave you a mission you declined, you can fly for the other
agents / corps then.

Edit: And a tip how to reach Level 3 security missions for a given corp fastest..
Take a Nereus and do Distribution missions. They are very fast to do so it takes
not long to reach the standing for Level 3 missions.
TRONEON
GAME GRID
#12 - 2014-12-11 12:13:58 UTC  |  Edited by: TRONEON
Centis Adjani wrote:
TRONEON wrote:
I may give up on missions completely and do something else, since if I am having to reject missions all the time due to standings loss and constantly being told "sorry we dont want you to play our content for 4-12 hours please GTFO" then it is not worth the waiting time and loss of game time / isk making.

I know some people will disagree but it's my opinion, it's not fun or good game design, especially for new players. It's even made me think if it's worth subscribing after my trial ends.

The design is made because you should not do missions for ONE agent/corp only.
You should get to know the universe and fly around.

Do missions simultanously for different agents in different stations / different corps.
Open the Agent finder and search for a system or constellation were several agents of
the level you want are around in different stations.

And additional you can fly for different factions simultaniously. Because in space of one faction
(Gallente for example) exist stations / corps from the other factions (Caldari, Minimatar, Amarr) too.

In wait times of one Agent which gave you a mission you declined, you can fly for the other
agents / corps then.

Edit: And a tip how to reach Level 3 security missions for a given corp fastest..
Take a Nereus and do Distribution missions. They are very fast to do so it takes
not long to reach the standing for Level 3 missions.


Ty for help but none of what you said solves the issue I am having and the poor game design, I don't want to have to fly around all over the place wasting time being bored, I don't have 12 hours a day to play and should not be restricted for 4-8hrs from doing missions, that is just how I feel about it.

As for the fast track to lvl 3 missions the way I managed it was to do all the tutorial career agent missions which gave free ships / skillbooks / loot and quite a bit of standings, then did an epic story arc and a few lvl 2 missions hardly any and I was ready for lvl 3 missions before I could even afford my first battlecruiser. Just a shame I can't even run lvl 3 missions when I would like to and when I have the time to play because constantly blocked from doing so.
Vorll Minaaran
Centre Of Attention
#13 - 2014-12-11 12:42:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Vorll Minaaran
Actually 99% of missions against some faction: Gallente, Guristas, Blood Raider, Amarr etc.
Not only the main 4 faction have standings, but ppl tends to not care about pirate faction standings.

As a rookie, you shouldnt care too much about your standings, train Diplomacy skill at least to lvl4, just take the mission, kill the enemy, profit.

I did so in my early EVE career, killed countless minmatar and gallente ships in lvl4 missions, and ended at -2,71 Gallente and -0,57 Minmatarwith Diplomacy lvl4. At that time you will use multiple agents all over the cluster, and can decline missions and get new from another agents.

Important:
If you want to sit at one station with one agent and dont want to 'live' in New Eden, than sadly to say it's not the best game for you. EVE wont give you anything on a golden plate, it will take your cake instead. That's by design, like you or not.
TRONEON
GAME GRID
#14 - 2014-12-11 12:52:31 UTC  |  Edited by: TRONEON
Vorll Minaaran wrote:
Actually 99% of missions against some faction: Gallente, Guristas, Blood Raider, Amarr etc.
Not only the main 4 faction have standings, but ppl tends to not care about pirate faction standings.

As a rookie, you shouldnt care too much about your standings, train Diplomacy skill at least to lvl4, just take the mission, kill the enemy, profit.

I did so in my early EVE career, killed countless minmatar and gallente ships in lvl4 missions, and ended at -2,71 Gallente and -0,57 Minmatarwith Diplomacy lvl4. At that time you will use multiple agents all over the cluster, and can decline missions and get new from another agents.

Important:
If you want to sit at one station with one agent and dont want to 'live' in New Eden, than sadly to say it's not the best game for you. EVE wont give you anything on a golden plate, it will take your cake instead. That's by design, like you or not.


Lets say I have a few hours to play and want to run some missions but then I get two faction missions in a row, sorry you can't do anything for 4 hours now, im not going to fly 10-20 jumps around doing other things or another agent to use, only to move everything I use back again in 4-8hours...

I will just log off and go play game that is actually fun and wants me to play their game and content without random block timers...

That just how I see it im afraid and how im guessing a lot of other new players would see it.

I can understand why long term players would disagree but from a new player stand point it just seems like poor game design, not fun and more of a chore than playing a game. Not everyone has 6+ hours a day to play games.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#15 - 2014-12-11 13:00:05 UTC
OR you could choose an NPC corp that has multiple agents of the same lvl closer together.
Vorll Minaaran
Centre Of Attention
#16 - 2014-12-11 13:19:35 UTC
EVE's most important content is the interaction between players, making good decisions, choosing the right tool for the task. Its like the real life, EVE dont care about your feelings, your convenience. EVE mostly provide tools to entertain yourself and do your content for you and for others.
Lets see your problem: havent got much time to wait 4 hours, and wont go kill other faction's ships.
EVE gave you the choices and consequences:
1., accept the agent standing hit by declining the mission
2., accept the faction standing hit by accepting mission and killing enemy ships
3., accept the mission and try to blitz, killing as less ships as possible, for minimal standing hit
4., can train Diplomacy skill to mitigate standing hit
5., choose a better place to do missions (station with 2-3 agent and adjacent systems with similar agents)
6., can do missions for the enemy faction to restore you standings
7-n., you can do other things while waiting or instead of missioning: http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
n+1: you can leave EVE, as you dont like its design.

All bittervets were new players once, and faced this problem too. We've made our decision, and embraced EVE's unique, harsh, cruel nature.

There are a lot of gamers out there, who dont like EVE, average leave in 3 month if i remember well CCP's numbers. EVE is a niche game with unique design that wont please as many ppl as popular MMOs.

You should accept it, or leave for now, maybe later the developers will change that rule somehow. But im sure, they wont remove the consequences of declining missions.
Equus Toomp
Do You Wanna Be In My Gang
#17 - 2014-12-11 13:28:46 UTC
The game design is working as intended. You need to adapt or change your outlook sorry to say.
Why the hang-up on standings loss?
If you want to be a mission runner and maximise profit then set up a base and run every mission you are offered. Take the standing loss and wear it as a badge of honour!
Why would you worry about venturing into new territory?
I can't set foot in Minmatar or Gallente space without their Navys chasing me around. But then I don't want to go there either - I'm Caldari, why would I want to go abroad?
On the rare occasions I do NEED to travel through enemy space they cannot catch me anyway. I've never once been shot at by enemy navy though they do like to make lots of public announcements that I am not welcome. That is all.
flaming phantom
Unlimited LTD
#18 - 2014-12-11 14:59:33 UTC
Just do the missions. So what if you take a standing hit. You say that you don't want to run around all over space doing missions for many agents to keep your standings high.
But then the only reason to worry about standing loss with a foreign empire is that you get shot going there )if you're really slow). but if you don't want to travel all over space, what does it matter if you get shot at if you would go somewhere that you don't plan to?

I do missions for only 1 corp/lvl 4 agent. My standings are terrible for amarr and caldari. Guess who doesn't go to amarr/caldari high-sec? This guy. Guess who doesn't care? This guy.
TRONEON
GAME GRID
#19 - 2014-12-11 15:02:16 UTC  |  Edited by: TRONEON
Just went to get another mission and 2 more faction missions again show up, now can't decline mission for another 4 hours....lol I have plans for other factions standings later in the game which is why this is an issue as well. Same thing happened when I went to a different agent and now can't decline mission with that guy either....just a huge waste of game time.

I give up, this game mechanic is stupid and just hinders new players from mission running with block timers on playing game content...that's over 12 hours now I have not been able to do a single lvl 3 mission...complete joke.

Missions don't seem worth the bother and hassle, time to look at something else I think.
Vorll Minaaran
Centre Of Attention
#20 - 2014-12-11 15:15:18 UTC
TRONEON wrote:
Missions don't seem worth the bother and hassle, time to look at something else I think.


Congratulation, you got EVE. :)

I hope you will find your place in New Eden.
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