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SJ Astralana
Syncore
#1 - 2014-12-05 20:19:40 UTC
With teams going away at the end of the month, there will be multiple pressures impacting mineral and hull prices. More materials will be needed to meet hull demand, and speculation of a broadcast ban has apparently already pinched supply. I suspect hull prices will spike hard and then settle back to typical anemic margins.

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ISD Ezwal
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ISD Alliance
#2 - 2014-12-05 22:29:25 UTC
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Alcaine Elias
Doomheim
#3 - 2014-12-06 14:03:46 UTC
SJ Astralana wrote:
With teams going away at the end of the month, there will be multiple pressures impacting mineral and hull prices. More materials will be needed to meet hull demand, and speculation of a broadcast ban has apparently already pinched supply. I suspect hull prices will spike hard and then settle back to typical anemic margins.

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ISD Alliance
#4 - 2014-12-06 15:43:43 UTC
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Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#5 - 2014-12-08 19:51:39 UTC
Teams worked. But I really disliked having to buy teams just to be competitive. Can't say I'm sorry to see them go. Needless complexity is needless.

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Bad Bobby
Bring Me Sunshine
In Tea We Trust
#6 - 2014-12-08 20:41:50 UTC
Soldarius wrote:
Teams worked. But I really disliked having to buy teams just to be competitive. Can't say I'm sorry to see them go. Needless complexity is needless.

I think CCP has made the right decision in removing them.

I feel that Teams were a shoddy implementation.

When it comes to bugs, you can always excuse them as "accidental". They may be caused by sloppy coding, cursory peer review, brief testing or lax QA oversight, but they are rarely intentional. So the state of Teams immediately after release can be ignored.

But they shipped Teams without even the most basic functionality. I don't think we can argue that as accidental, or acceptable.

I don't think fixing them was ever a real option, because I feel that they were a shoddy implementation of a fundamentally poor design.

So, with the options available being:

1) Polish the turd.
2) Leave the turd, unpolished and hope it doesn't start to smell.
3) Clear away the turd.

CCP took the only sensible choice. We should all be happy and hope it is the first of many sensible choices.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#7 - 2014-12-08 23:14:52 UTC
Teams had issues, but they were great at providing intel on where highly capital intensive production was happening.


As for implications - it's a small change. Nothing increases in build cost by more than 5% and most higher cost things increase by much less than that. The teams change will have much, much less of a market impact than the Crius reductions to build times.

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SJ Astralana
Syncore
#8 - 2014-12-08 23:33:16 UTC
I've netted 14bil and counting from teams, and dominated some markets for weeks on end. As far as I'm concerned, the higher the barrier of entry, i.e. complexity, to production, the better for me. However, in the short term anything that squeezes supply is more profitable even than a 7.5% battlecruiser team, so I'm looking forward to higher material requirements being stacked on the IS-Boxer nerf. Then come about April it's going to get ugly and many producers are going to exit the market, and going forward the cost of entry will be even higher than presently.

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Kethas Protagonist
Protagonist Ventures
#9 - 2014-12-11 02:29:55 UTC
I never understood why people didn't bid teams up higher. I'd look at winning bids, and look at the modeled savings over four weeks, and there'd be a missing 0 or two (or three).

I can understand why they're removing them from a gamewide design perspective, but selfishly I wish they'd leave them around as it's been a cash for people that bother to hire them.