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Twisted Chick
Sebiestor Tribe
#21 - 2014-12-08 18:34:39 UTC
I actually wouldn't mind this, But I can't really give my two isk about it for PVP due to me using it to run Missions. : /

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2014-12-10 09:04:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
Worried it'll turn armor BCs and BSs into dedicated haulers? That's yet another reason cargo expansion should have a stacking penalty.

I wouldn't even know where to begin with cargohold changes, as I suspect tweaking these would have far-reaching ramifications. I'm mainly after the slight damage increase and extra mid slot.


They would. Cap booster charges are massive for a reason.

And they're out of balance. As it stands, a destroyer can reload its ancillary shield booster about 25 times, a battlecruiser not even ten times, and a battleship is lucky to fit more than four reloads. And that's not considering space for ammo. I submit that due to cap booster charge sizes, medium and large ship cargoholds NEED to be increased.

Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Probably a topic for another day then. This was intended to be fairly specific to just the Barghest, as out of the three Mordus Legion ships it's currently the most lacking.

That's because it's the biggest one. It probably runs out of cargohold space very quickly, especially as it's supposed to be a kiting ship. I think making battleship cargoholds bigger really is a huge step toward fixing this and many other problems they have.

If the Barghest still has too little powergrid and/or CPU, then it seems reasonable to either buff that or reduce the number of weapons it needs to fit. It's still a good cruise missile sniper, though, even if it can't skirmish that well.

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James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#23 - 2014-12-10 09:56:46 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:


If the Barghest still has too little powergrid and/or CPU, then it seems reasonable to either buff that or reduce the number of weapons it needs to fit. It's still a good cruise missile sniper, though, even if it can't skirmish that well.


If we had a mid-long range battleship based meta, the bhargest would be king. Unfortunately, the most dominant meta is N+1 medium rail platforms of choice and bombers backed by capital escalation for large fights, and frigate and t1 cruisers for most of the smaller fights in k-space, which means that they would be trying to compete on speed with cruisers or frigates and that just doesn't end well.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2014-12-10 10:04:58 UTC
What happened to the blap-everything-that-moves Maelstrom meta? Maelstroms haven't been nerfed (other than the battleship mobility nerf). Shield fleets are still used. Why doesn't anyone use Maelstroms anymore?

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#25 - 2014-12-10 20:35:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
If the Barghest still has too little powergrid and/or CPU, then it seems reasonable to either buff that or reduce the number of weapons it needs to fit. It's still a good cruise missile sniper, though, even if it can't skirmish that well.

CPU and power grid are fine; it just needs a slight damage buff and the additional mid (in lieu of a high and launcher).

Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
What happened to the blap-everything-that-moves Maelstrom meta? Maelstroms haven't been nerfed (other than the battleship mobility nerf). Shield fleets are still used. Why doesn't anyone use Maelstroms anymore?

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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
#26 - 2014-12-10 20:56:56 UTC
Don't shrink the Barghest. It's the

L A T E R A L

to balance out the

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of the Naglfar.

Big smile


(Kidding aside, yeah, if it's physical model is that much bigger than other battleships, I can see that being an issue in tight spaces.)

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FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#27 - 2014-12-10 21:18:50 UTC
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:
What happened to the blap-everything-that-moves Maelstrom meta? Maelstroms haven't been nerfed (other than the battleship mobility nerf). Shield fleets are still used. Why doesn't anyone use Maelstroms anymore?


Bombs.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#28 - 2014-12-11 03:44:23 UTC
Tabyll Altol wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
This is a condensed post with a straightforward proposal to address some shortcomings with the Barghest.

1. Increase the damage to 10% per level (+50%), reduce the number of launchers to 6 and the number of high slots to 7. This is only a +2.85% increase in overall damage and a 14.3% reduction in ammunition expenditure (missiles take up the most munitions space).
2. Increase the number of mid slots to 7. The Barghest receives no shield resistance or damage application bonuses, so this gives it the ability to either slightly improve defensive or offensive capability.
3. Reduce the physical size of the Barghest to approximately 1200m in length.


I never heared of the ship being to weak, most times i heared the oposite site complaining that its very strong. So no help from me.

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Funny, I've heard people say the Garmur is good (some even say too good), I've heard a few comment they like the Othorus but all I've heard about the barghest is, don't waste your isk on it

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