EVE General Discussion

inb4 automatic client switching via macros is banned as well...

I think the way ISboxers are looking for a workaround to avoid the letter of the law is unarguable, but ways of circumventing the intended effect of the new rules are obviously going to get looked at in a later pass...it's just a matter of CCP finding the right wording to do so.

Personally I hope they just release their own window management tools and [edit: actually enforce their] ban [on] all third party applications from affecting the client.

So now you're admitting you would 'cheat' even if round robin was banned because of your belief that they couldn't detect you? Interesting. (trolling ofc)

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TBH I think they might struggle to differentiate broadcasting as it currently stands (if someone codes in suitable delays between clients). But if detection is all that it needs, then they could completely ban ISboxer (after supplying their own window management) and then flag accounts based on detecting concurrent system processes.

Well since we know that CCP are obviously averse to how multiboxers are currently using the software (unless this is just an epic troll on 1% of their playerbase) - one would presume that they're not gonna be overly impressed by attempts to sidestep the new rules.

Just sayin' it so that you don't get too attached to round-robinning your way around it!

I have no ideas on what specific detection methods they're gonna use, but they could easily check for background processes of any software they choose to ban - at which stage what happens to you guys? You start trying to avoid detection? Or you learn that they don't want you doing what you're currently doing?

Whatever they put in place, some people will always find ways around it. Unless they choose to ban multiboxing altogether, some people will always be able to control many more clients than other players, even if it's just by having 8 monitors and lightning reflexes.

The list for the software to ban would be bigger than the codebase. It also wouldn't be possible to ban it all. If for example have a Logitech G15 keyboard. I could use the software and drivers with that to do round robins. Would CCP really want to be banning software designed to run major gaming hardware from running alongside their game? I can't imagine that would be very good for their reputation. Worse still when you consider some operating systems actually let you do some of these things naturally. Are they going to ban linux and mac clients too?

It's not about avoiding detection. It's about how they could possibly stop themselves banning legitimate players if people would be bypassing their rules with common hardware and software. How could you stop someone using a G15 to round robin without stopping everyone who uses a G15? There's no reliable way to tell the difference between legitimate and illegal use.

Edit: This isn't a new problem by the way. MMO gaming has always had this issue, and most devs have resigned themselves to the fact that there no way they can enforce these types of restrictions consistently.

Indeed, along with all the other keyboards that allow macros. Good luck convincing a game developer to ban gaming keyboards from leading game hardware manufacturers. While automation macros already are banned, a round robin macro wouldn't be distinguishable from someone pushing the keys at the same rate, so they'd literally have to ban the use of gaming keyboards. Never going to happen. Ever.

I don't understand why people are trying find loopholes to get around the ruling or try to twist words to justify continuing what they have been doing. Either accept the ruling or WoW is other there >>>>>>>

Jesus christ. No matter how many times you idiots say it, the accelerated gameplay clause is on a per-toon basis, not a per-human basis. Stop pretending it's so.

Spend 30 seconds out of your life and look at previous DEV and GM responses to threads regarding the clause and keyboard macros and you will see, time and time again, responses that say that the clause is on a per-toon basis. Ever since I signed up my alt toons, I've taken a special interest in threads regarding ISBoxing and keyboard macros (g510 and g600 here) and everytime somebody with a 2 month old character age came onto the forums and starts whining that multiboxing breaks the clause, someone from CCP or a GM steps in and slapped them down.

Do you really think that is what CCP is trying to accomplish? I'm not disagreeing I just hope they have thought things through more than that.

I personally have no clue what so ever what their overall goal is. They haven't said what it is. I wish they would though.

It feels like their long term goal is to get rid of multiboxing in general, but who knows????

If I push F1 and F2, vs getting a macro to push F1 then F2 when you press a single key, it doesn't allow me to acquire "items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play". At nowhere in there does it say "you can't use keybinds or macros to make things easier". Even if you look at this thread, there's a CCP dev specifically stating that as long as they aren't automated (playing the game on their own) or sending to multiple clients simultaneously (broadcasting) then G15 macros are fine.

And like I've stated so many times before, they don't need to clarify the EULA. They don't need to look at the EULA. They don't even need to have the EULA. They could literally just say "You're banned, because I feel like it", and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it.

By the way, while we're chopping up the EULA to make it say what we want:
"You may not use ... the user interface ... in any way to acquire items ... in the Game."
Legit.