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Looking for a good Solo PvP Gallente ship

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Delta122
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#1 - 2014-12-09 15:53:59 UTC
Ive been playing the game for a while, skills are very directed to PvP. However I am looking to improve on my solo Gallente fleet. I was thinking an AF or Interceptor, something I could get in quick and gank some frigates and even T1 cruisers.

I prefer Blasters, and my drones skills are outstanding. Any ideas/suggestions?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2 - 2014-12-09 16:09:41 UTC
Ishkur,
active tank,blaster fit with with a neut ,Hobbs and warrior 2's.
set of halos in your head and attack anything bigger than you are .
get in close orbit at 500 , kill their drones with the worriors first, then randsome and/or kill the ship.
see link in Sig, go to losses and role around in the ishkur 's found therein.
note you have to start the engagement on top of them so you're likely going to want a warpin from a Corp mate or alt in a cloaky probing ship.
Delta122
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#3 - 2014-12-09 16:22:47 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Ishkur,
active tank,blaster fit with with a neut ,Hobbs and warrior 2's.
set of halos in your head and attack anything bigger than you are .
get in close orbit at 500 , kill their drones with the worriors first, then randsome and/or kill the ship.
see link in Sig, go to losses and role around in the ishkur 's found therein.
note you have to start the engagement on top of them so you're likely going to want a warpin from a Corp mate or alt in a cloaky probing ship.


Funny that you say the Ishkur, cause it was the ship I was leaning too. Thanks for the input, i will try this out tonight!
Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#4 - 2014-12-09 17:44:03 UTC
There are a multitude of Gallente ships that meet your requirements. It depends on what you prefer, where you're going to be flying it and what targets you're planning to fight.
Delta122
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#5 - 2014-12-09 17:54:59 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
There are a multitude of Gallente ships that meet your requirements. It depends on what you prefer, where you're going to be flying it and what targets you're planning to fight.


I am looking at Low Sec ganking, targets being anything from frigate/indy/cruisers/ and battlecruisers. T1 of course.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#6 - 2014-12-09 18:12:06 UTC
Shield rail rax is strong. Shield blaster rax is also a good choice.

Exeq Navy issue is also a really nice rail or blaster platform.

I would ignore AF's (the suck) and instead check out the tristan if you are interested in frigate pvp
Ione Hunt
Storm Solutions
#7 - 2014-12-09 22:07:00 UTC
Chessur wrote:
Shield rail rax is strong. Shield blaster rax is also a good choice.

Exeq Navy issue is also a really nice rail or blaster platform.

I would ignore AF's (the suck) and instead check out the tristan if you are interested in frigate pvp


What on earth can a Tristan do that a ton of AFs can't do much better?

Iskhur has a better tank, better damage, better sig radius (aka harder to track) and doesn't lose a large chunk of damage if people kill off a bunch of drones. It's more expensive, but to say AFs suck and then to recommend a Tristan is a bit silly.
Uppsy Daisy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-12-09 22:21:28 UTC
I'm guess agility and speed, but I'm sure Chessur will explain in his traditional patient manner..
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#9 - 2014-12-10 00:22:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Chessur
Ione Hunt wrote:
Chessur wrote:
Shield rail rax is strong. Shield blaster rax is also a good choice.

Exeq Navy issue is also a really nice rail or blaster platform.

I would ignore AF's (the suck) and instead check out the tristan if you are interested in frigate pvp


What on earth can a Tristan do that a ton of AFs can't do much better?

Iskhur has a better tank, better damage, better sig radius (aka harder to track) and doesn't lose a large chunk of damage if people kill off a bunch of drones. It's more expensive, but to say AFs suck and then to recommend a Tristan is a bit silly.


Why do Af's suck? Outside of the Slicer Retribution and the arty wolf- they have no use for a solo / small gang player.

The reason why a T1 frigate like a tristan is superior to an AF for a solo / small gang player is 4 fold.

1. Cost
2. Looks far less scary, so you have the potential to get more / better fights
3. Much faster
4. Has a larger engagement profile.

There is nothing a tristan / dual rep Incursis cant do that an Ishkur can.

AF's are bad, and will continue to be bad. You are paying 3/4 times the cost of a T1 cruiser for what? AF's have:

1. Worse Speed. (MWD ishkur when armor fit is UNDER 2K/S.... let that sink in for a second. 2k/s is not playable when you are solo / smallgang. ALL t1 cruisers are faster than you. If you try and brawl a T1 crluiser, they will either kite the **** out of you, or just brawl you down and crush you. Consider that your Ishkur has 0 range, and I hope you can start to see the failings of the hull. anything outside of HONERABLE 1V1 BRAWLING FRIGS AT DAWN the ishkur fails at completely.

2. Less EHP
3. Less DPS
4. Less Projection
5. Cost More
6. Require more SP to fly effectively

I will never understand why FW players have a hard on for AF's. Just not a usable hull for solo or small gang. They have some utility sitting inside of FW plexes- AB, full armor tank and logi. However beyond that they are just bad.
Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2014-12-10 00:34:49 UTC
The Federation Navy Comet is probably the best frigate in the game.

It's fast, tough, hard hitting and it has ridiculous versatility. You can mwd kite, scram kite, or blaster brawl with equal effectiveness And your enemy has to guess which one until he lands on grid. Oh and it also can field 2 flights of 3 light drones which is an additional 40-60 dps and a decent deterrent to liters. I don't fly the comet much because the slicer is such a sexy looking ship, but in terms of sheer PvP utility the comet is a demon.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#11 - 2014-12-10 00:38:52 UTC
Personally I am a slicer fan myself :) Well flown it almost has no equal in the frigate world.
Fenris Orion
Strata Victoria
Of Essence
#12 - 2014-12-10 02:37:42 UTC
I'm going to agree with Chessur on certain points, and disagree politely on a few.

The Tristan is sort of The ultimate multi-role fighter. It can do a great many things very well, from brawling, kiting, neuting, ect. I've killed several Algos and Dragoons with a kitey Tristan, which you wouldn't think should be possible. That's a matter of who kills who's drones faster, and with a shield buffer, warriors just kinda tickle the Tristan.

That being said, the only way that I can see a Tristan winning a 1v1 with an AF is against a Retribution, Enyo, or Harpy with triple Neuts. I've lost an Enyo that way... Sux. Otherwise an AF will just kill all the drones and end in a stalemate.

All things being equal (sp, kite/brawl fit, etc) the Comet is far superior to the Slicer. Slightly faster in base speed, tankier, and much greater damage potential that includes some selection of damage type with drones. Some 50% of my corporations killboard consists of kitey rail comets killing everything in sight. Not to say that the Slicer isn't an awesome ship, it's just way more predictable. I kill Slicers with Atrons on a pretty regular basis.

As for the Assault Frigate lineup, I'd agree the the -Ishkur- is very subpar. Too slow to kite, out damaged by the Enyo, and too many cruisers carry neuts or dual webs. I'd say the Ishkur is the Gallente's designated bait-tanker for small gangs when set up with dual rep.

The Arty Wolf can be ravenous in small gangs, but I'd have to say that the Enyo and the Hawk are the King and Queen, respectively, of scram range frigate combat. Properly flown (mostly to avoid kiters) there are few things that squeeze into FW outposts that they can't kill. Of course, yes, this is where they excel. Much like their HAC siblings, trading speed for a monster tank/dps ratio means you have to be careful of the circumstances under which you engage.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#13 - 2014-12-10 02:52:20 UTC
I agree with most of what Fenris Orion has to say. Tristan is so much more versatile (thanks to its speed kiting) and because of that I think it makes a better solo / small gang ship. If you can't kill what you find, disengagement / draw is much better than losing a T2 AF.

As for the comet, I don't deny its a good frig. But all things equal- It can't touch the slicer. Another ship that I think also has great use is the dual rep incursis. That is a nice blaster brawling frig. Also another to consider is the rail incursis for scram / web kiting. Both are good options.


Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-12-10 05:10:34 UTC
Chessur wrote:
I agree with most of what Fenris Orion has to say. Tristan is so much more versatile (thanks to its speed kiting) and because of that I think it makes a better solo / small gang ship. If you can't kill what you find, disengagement / draw is much better than losing a T2 AF.

As for the comet, I don't deny its a good frig. But all things equal- It can't touch the slicer. Another ship that I think also has great use is the dual rep incursis. That is a nice blaster brawling frig. Also another to consider is the rail incursis for scram / web kiting. Both are good options.




I don't claim to be a good slicer pilot but wtf do you do against people who dscan you and then go undock a TD or even dual TD fit? It is by far my favorite ship but almost every time I fly it people just reship into a hard counter...whereas with a comet they have no way to counter your fit pre-fight really.
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#15 - 2014-12-10 06:19:00 UTC
You can kill ships under TD. I have been 3x TD from a crucifier before- and still killed ships in his gang. Just comes down to flying technique. If i see tracking Script, i just need to adjust my flying. I have some fraps of this, however i dont have it uploaded to youtube currently.

Any turret based ship can be crippled from TDs. The comets are not immune here. In the comets case, if you are td while brawling- you will die as there is no way to escape. The slicer or kiting comet on the other hand can always disengage if the TDs become too crippling.

It has been my experience that 1/2 TDs off an unbonused hull generally leave that ship so gimped in fitting, that by kiting i can still dispatch them with ease. It would be even better however if you were flying a tristan- then you can just laugh int he face of all ewar when your drones continue to fire on :)
Plato Forko
123 Fake Street
#16 - 2014-12-10 06:42:19 UTC
Atron is a pretty good gal ship for blasters, you can fit neutron blasters and still shoehorn on a solid SAAR tank and hit out to 9km with Null. It's got great speed so you just need to figure out what orbit mitigates the most incoming damage then load the appropriate ammo and go to town.

Comet is annoyingly popular but with blasters it's going to be food for dual web ships. Since it has a tracking bonus, rails will do you better since you'll be able to hit stuff further out but still whatever's right in your face
Justin Zaine
#17 - 2014-12-10 08:24:01 UTC
Chessur wrote:
Ione Hunt wrote:
Chessur wrote:
Shield rail rax is strong. Shield blaster rax is also a good choice.

Exeq Navy issue is also a really nice rail or blaster platform.

I would ignore AF's (the suck) and instead check out the tristan if you are interested in frigate pvp


What on earth can a Tristan do that a ton of AFs can't do much better?

Iskhur has a better tank, better damage, better sig radius (aka harder to track) and doesn't lose a large chunk of damage if people kill off a bunch of drones. It's more expensive, but to say AFs suck and then to recommend a Tristan is a bit silly.


Why do Af's suck? Outside of the Slicer Retribution and the arty wolf- they have no use for a solo / small gang player.

The reason why a T1 frigate like a tristan is superior to an AF for a solo / small gang player is 4 fold.

1. Cost
2. Looks far less scary, so you have the potential to get more / better fights
3. Much faster
4. Has a larger engagement profile.

There is nothing a tristan / dual rep Incursis cant do that an Ishkur can.

AF's are bad, and will continue to be bad. You are paying 3/4 times the cost of a T1 cruiser for what? AF's have:

1. Worse Speed. (MWD ishkur when armor fit is UNDER 2K/S.... let that sink in for a second. 2k/s is not playable when you are solo / smallgang. ALL t1 cruisers are faster than you. If you try and brawl a T1 crluiser, they will either kite the **** out of you, or just brawl you down and crush you. Consider that your Ishkur has 0 range, and I hope you can start to see the failings of the hull. anything outside of HONERABLE 1V1 BRAWLING FRIGS AT DAWN the ishkur fails at completely.

2. Less EHP
3. Less DPS
4. Less Projection
5. Cost More
6. Require more SP to fly effectively

I will never understand why FW players have a hard on for AF's. Just not a usable hull for solo or small gang. They have some utility sitting inside of FW plexes- AB, full armor tank and logi. However beyond that they are just bad.


I'm inclined to consider this advice because /Chessur/ but judging by your comments and from what I can see without bothering to look at your KB, you don't seem to do a lot of merc stuff or HS wars.

You can fit a small neut and 3 blasters in the highs of an Ishkur vs only 3 blasters for the Incursus. Combined with the dps of the extra drones on the Ishkur on what is probably already a strained cap due to trying to tank almost 300 dps, that neut is sometimes the final nail in the coffin for a missioning BS.

In the context of HS warfare, I'd argue that the Ishkur is unparalleled as far as non-pirate ships go.


He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight.

He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared.

Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2014-12-10 08:34:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Knuckles
Chessur wrote:
Ione Hunt wrote:
Chessur wrote:
Shield rail rax is strong. Shield blaster rax is also a good choice.

Exeq Navy issue is also a really nice rail or blaster platform.

I would ignore AF's (the suck) and instead check out the tristan if you are interested in frigate pvp


What on earth can a Tristan do that a ton of AFs can't do much better?

Iskhur has a better tank, better damage, better sig radius (aka harder to track) and doesn't lose a large chunk of damage if people kill off a bunch of drones. It's more expensive, but to say AFs suck and then to recommend a Tristan is a bit silly.


Why do Af's suck? Outside of the Slicer Retribution and the arty wolf- they have no use for a solo / small gang player.

The reason why a T1 frigate like a tristan is superior to an AF for a solo / small gang player is 4 fold.

1. Cost
2. Looks far less scary, so you have the potential to get more / better fights
3. Much faster
4. Has a larger engagement profile.

There is nothing a tristan / dual rep Incursis cant do that an Ishkur can.

AF's are bad, and will continue to be bad. You are paying 3/4 times the cost of a T1 cruiser for what? AF's have:

1. Worse Speed. (MWD ishkur when armor fit is UNDER 2K/S.... let that sink in for a second. 2k/s is not playable when you are solo / smallgang. ALL t1 cruisers are faster than you. If you try and brawl a T1 crluiser, they will either kite the **** out of you, or just brawl you down and crush you. Consider that your Ishkur has 0 range, and I hope you can start to see the failings of the hull. anything outside of HONERABLE 1V1 BRAWLING FRIGS AT DAWN the ishkur fails at completely.

2. Less EHP
3. Less DPS
4. Less Projection
5. Cost More
6. Require more SP to fly effectively

I will never understand why FW players have a hard on for AF's. Just not a usable hull for solo or small gang. They have some utility sitting inside of FW plexes- AB, full armor tank and logi. However beyond that they are just bad.



A properly fitted railpy is nothing to scoff at, sure the price tag starts gettinga tad high cause you need some deadspace (90ish mils) but it's a very fun ship to fly kite with

But, yeah, not many reasons to fly one over a slicer or a kite comet tbh, or not enough to justify it costing 4 times more probably
Chessur
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#19 - 2014-12-10 08:58:26 UTC
Justin Zaine wrote:
Chessur wrote:
Ione Hunt wrote:
Chessur wrote:
Shield rail rax is strong. Shield blaster rax is also a good choice.

Exeq Navy issue is also a really nice rail or blaster platform.

I would ignore AF's (the suck) and instead check out the tristan if you are interested in frigate pvp


What on earth can a Tristan do that a ton of AFs can't do much better?

Iskhur has a better tank, better damage, better sig radius (aka harder to track) and doesn't lose a large chunk of damage if people kill off a bunch of drones. It's more expensive, but to say AFs suck and then to recommend a Tristan is a bit silly.


Why do Af's suck? Outside of the Slicer Retribution and the arty wolf- they have no use for a solo / small gang player.

The reason why a T1 frigate like a tristan is superior to an AF for a solo / small gang player is 4 fold.

1. Cost
2. Looks far less scary, so you have the potential to get more / better fights
3. Much faster
4. Has a larger engagement profile.

There is nothing a tristan / dual rep Incursis cant do that an Ishkur can.

AF's are bad, and will continue to be bad. You are paying 3/4 times the cost of a T1 cruiser for what? AF's have:

1. Worse Speed. (MWD ishkur when armor fit is UNDER 2K/S.... let that sink in for a second. 2k/s is not playable when you are solo / smallgang. ALL t1 cruisers are faster than you. If you try and brawl a T1 crluiser, they will either kite the **** out of you, or just brawl you down and crush you. Consider that your Ishkur has 0 range, and I hope you can start to see the failings of the hull. anything outside of HONERABLE 1V1 BRAWLING FRIGS AT DAWN the ishkur fails at completely.

2. Less EHP
3. Less DPS
4. Less Projection
5. Cost More
6. Require more SP to fly effectively

I will never understand why FW players have a hard on for AF's. Just not a usable hull for solo or small gang. They have some utility sitting inside of FW plexes- AB, full armor tank and logi. However beyond that they are just bad.


I'm inclined to consider this advice because /Chessur/ but judging by your comments and from what I can see without bothering to look at your KB, you don't seem to do a lot of merc stuff or HS wars.

You can fit a small neut and 3 blasters in the highs of an Ishkur vs only 3 blasters for the Incursus. Combined with the dps of the extra drones on the Ishkur on what is probably already a strained cap due to trying to tank almost 300 dps, that neut is sometimes the final nail in the coffin for a missioning BS.

In the context of HS warfare, I'd argue that the Ishkur is unparalleled as far as non-pirate ships go.




Any properly fitted misison BS is going to thrash a single ishkur. My reasons are as follows:

1. Ishkur that is fully armor tanked up, is looking at a sub 2K/S MWD speed. That is pathetic. The ever popular missioning machariel is going to kite you, endlessly. So will any tempest hull, and phoon hull.

2. A small neut will do nothing to BS cap levels. If you had 10 of them, sure- I can see something happening. Even then however, heavy cap boosters are the best defense against neuting. Most proper fit BS will have them. The argument for a single neut being the clutch factor for choosing an AF is a weak argument.

3. 300 DPS does not break a proper XLASB + 1 Invuln tank on a shield BS, its going to do even less when you consider armor tnaks. No singular AF is going to be breaking a proper BS. Frigate DPS barring full gank enyos are of little consequence.

4. Because the ishkur is limited to only 3 mid slots, you don't have the luxury to run a dual prop. Because of this, and the ishkurs very low base speed- actually using your frig sig tank to mitigate damage, is much more difficult / unlikely.

Now I am sure that people have solo'd BS's in AFs. I have no doubt in my mind that KM's exist. However I am basing my argument on both players being competent. And in a competent world, the AF is bringing nothing to the table, a competent BS pilot will **** on you. Now if the argument is (I hunt retards in high sec so AF's work just fine for me) then so be it. However if that is the argument that is taken, my last piece of advice would be this: Why settle for mediocrity, when you can kill so much more efficiently using other tools?
Justin Zaine
#20 - 2014-12-10 10:35:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Justin Zaine
Quote:
Any properly fitted misison BS is going to thrash a single ishkur. My reasons are as follows:

1. Ishkur that is fully armor tanked up, is looking at a sub 2K/S MWD speed. That is pathetic. The ever popular missioning machariel is going to kite you, endlessly. So will any tempest hull, and phoon hull.

2. A small neut will do nothing to BS cap levels. If you had 10 of them, sure- I can see something happening. Even then however, heavy cap boosters are the best defense against neuting. Most proper fit BS will have them. The argument for a single neut being the clutch factor for choosing an AF is a weak argument.

3. 300 DPS does not break a proper XLASB + 1 Invuln tank on a shield BS, its going to do even less when you consider armor tnaks. No singular AF is going to be breaking a proper BS. Frigate DPS barring full gank enyos are of little consequence.

4. Because the ishkur is limited to only 3 mid slots, you don't have the luxury to run a dual prop. Because of this, and the ishkurs very low base speed- actually using your frig sig tank to mitigate damage, is much more difficult / unlikely.

Now I am sure that people have solo'd BS's in AFs. I have no doubt in my mind that KM's exist. However I am basing my argument on both players being competent. And in a competent world, the AF is bringing nothing to the table, a competent BS pilot will **** on you. Now if the argument is (I hunt retards in high sec so AF's work just fine for me) then so be it. However if that is the argument that is taken, my last piece of advice would be this: Why settle for mediocrity, when you can kill so much more efficiently using other tools?


How exactly is some guy in an Apoc going to **** on me while i'm orbiting him at 500m in my Ishkur? His guns can't track me, I can tank his drones long enough to kill them off and if I can't break his tank at least I can keep him pointed long enough for the cavalry to arrive. That doesn't exactly constitute "Getting **** on" to me.

1. Mids - Scram, Cap booster, AB - 1km/s (500m/s IF he has a web which I can almost guarantee you he doesn't.) Orbiting at 500m is still nothing to laugh at. Good luck kiting me without MWD, good luck hitting me with such a small sig. Not even gonna bother going into what the sig of the ship actually is with full links/halos/skills but it's in the vicinity of 30m. Thats only a little bigger than a drone.

2. I suggested the Ishkur in the context of HS PVP. I know you're gonna argue that "If both players are competent and PVP - capable then..." Well lets be honest, how many HS residents that find themselves in the middle of a war dec are PVP capable. I think I can count on one hand how many truly competent BS pilots I've come across in my time spent doing HS wars, and the same goes for the "Web/Cap Booster/MWD-PVE BS" that you speak of. On the topic of Cap Boosters - I've seen them on Nightmares, Machs, Abaddons and a few others. Thats about it. One small neut can and has made a difference during fights with the vast majority of PVE ships that don't have them fit.

3. The Ishkur can chew through a lot but if it can't handle what you've got tackled then thats what buddies are for. As usual. That doesn't change the fact that It can still hit above it's weight class.

4. What is this about dual prop. Ishkur doesn't need more speed, it's AB is fine and sig tanking is extremely viable in this context.

5. As stated, the Ishkur is a ship that hits above it's weight class. If I was out hunting specifically for BS's, i'd bring something else. I'm not, however, and because a lot of HS targets are small, the AF is a good ship because it can lock quickly, warp quickly (enough), align quickly, does really good dps considering all of the above and is able to catch most things on a gate. There are always situations where you just can't break someone's tank, but in any of these situations, regardless of the skill of the pilots involved you'd be better off in an Ishkur than an Incursus. Its not just a matter of "Hunting retards in HS so the Ishkur works fine" - It's a matter of the Ishkur simply being a better ship in this role than the Incursus is.

This conversation about killing BS sized targets in a solo Ishkur is stupid to begin with. Nobody should fly an Ishkur to go BS hunting in but the fact remains that if you do happen to get one tackled while out looking for smaller targets, you'd still be better off in an Ishkur than in an Incursus.

I think there are various notable HS entities that would back me up on this.

He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight.

He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared.

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