EVE New Citizens Q&A

I'm attempting to sit outside a station in my ship sniping off suspect and such and a neutral player keeps ramming me and throwing me km's off the station, is this allowed?

I read somewhere it counted as harassment.

GM Response On Bumping

tldr;

- ramming/bumping by itself is not harassment

- ramming/bumping is a legitimate tactic (for war, ganking, and general mayhem)

- it only becomes harassment when you focus your attention on a single person for an unreasonable amount of time (say, more than 15 minutes or so) for no reason other than "just because."

While responses from players are helpful, if you believe you are being harassed, you may file a support ticket to draw a GM's attention to it.

As indicated by above posters, though, bumping in and of itself is a perfectly valid mechanic, same as shooting someone. Just like any other action becomes harassment when it's done specifically targeted to you, repeatedly and insistently, for no reason and accomplishing nothing outside of making you not be able to play. All of those need to apply. In your case, it sounds like you're facing blowback from people upset you're shooting them, which is normal gameplay.

Well you can just log off in that case.

If the group is also using suicide noob ships to keep your capsuleer aggression timer up for an extended period of time, then you might have a case, but that means extended. Not 10 minutes.

Yeah there is no way to insta warp a ship with a couple of webs......oh wait.



Never mind.

It's really simple, if you do it for "no reason whatsoever" then it can be classed as harassment and a GM might want to have a word with you, but if it's used as a means to an end (like a ransom) then it's fine. So "I'll bump you till you pay me" is perfectly fine.

With Eve Online, you pretty much have to accept that short of showing up on your doorstep in RL with a shotgun, players in the game can do whatever they please without repercussions from CCP.

As far as I know 'bumping' is acceptable as long as you don't follow them into another system and continue to 'bump' them. Following from belt/location to belt/location in the same/one system is acceptable.

In times like this we should perhaps turn to time-honored posterity of what has gone before. Let us read from the book of James315, chapter 'bumping', verse 'htfu'...

"Q. You can't bump me! This is harassment and against the EULA.

It's a common misconception that bumping players in highsec is automatically harassment. Since the rules are not publicly viewable in a central location, EVE players tend to be led astray by rumors and unsourced wikis. I, on the other hand, have been in direct contact with the people who actually enforce the EULA, to ensure that my business is in full compliance.

In this case, my bumping of miners is not random harassment; rather, it is an activity conducted in the course of business. In the event of an audit, I have ample evidence to support the reasonable expectation of profit. Prior to this announcement, I gathered game logs, chat logs, and screenshots of wallet journals, transactions, evemails, and other materials from my time in Arvasaras. During my brief bumping campaign there, I was able to accumulate over 100 million isk in profit, all of which is fully substantiated by the aforementioned evidence. The profit came not only from ransoms, but also from the sale of modules--taken from the wrecks of disgruntled miners who got themselves blown up trying to stop me. Since bumping requires no ammunition, my only expense was a 9,000 isk secure container (used to announce a warning to miners) that I failed to refresh while I was out orca hunting. I also have copious logs and screenshots of my conversations with the GMs on this matter, for my reference and theirs."

So, when we don space-laywer robes and dildo of office, one could extrapolate that it is the issuing of a ransom request to a bumpee in pursuit of ISK, that insulates the bumper from falling from grey zone into blackness.

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..this of course does not preclude someone from bumping another for their jollies, as substantiated in this original GM ruling thread; but like donning condom instead of rolling dice, issuing a ransom request can provide extra protections against bear-aids.

"CCP considers the act of bumping a normal game mechanic, and does not class the bumping of another player’s ship as an exploit. However, persistent targeting of a player with bumping by following them around after they have made an effort to move on to another location can be classified as harassment, and this will be judged on a case by case basis."

Here it was the 'following around' (to another belt, system, etc), that was the defining test...

Albeit not defining, because lets get real, these guys are making up the rules on this as they go.

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