Warfare & Tactics

I have a suggestion for war decs. Few and far between they are for me but once more my corp has been war dec'd.

First time round I didn't stand a chance so just disbanded and if we get our asses kicked I'll probably do the same, the corp doesn't really have any real estate, so all I'm really losing should I dissolve is the creation fee.

My suggestion is this: If you have been war dec'd and think you stand a chance of suppressing the war decer rather than have to sit idly by whilst the dec'r can gather intel/prepare you are given some options. After all the decer should have prepared before initiating the dec.

If they are signed in and docked you can petition CONCORD to kick them out of the station. For a fee.

This solves two things.
Corps war decing with no intention to fight. If they apply to fight you then you can, as the peaceful party in the arrangement, force them to put their money where their dec is and fight.

Second, staying signed in whilst docked so that the opposing party will never really know when you are actually likely to undock.

As you so adamantly state we have absolute choice in what we do. That is incorrect. At no point did I agree to the declaration of war. I forefeit my privilege of flying round high sec in a freighter on my own and unguarded because of a choice another player has made. Shouldn't that other player be put to some disadvantage due to a decision I make? Especially after making a change to the game for myself without any consent from myself?

I dont like the Ops suggestion, but I dont like the way it works eighter.

We have been at war for problally 25 of the 52 weeks this year, and as an alliance its bloody anoing that a 2 man corp can stall and just sit docked for 5 weeks in a row, only to undock and chase down lowners in week 3 of the war for 1 hour.

- A corporation or alliance less than 30 members shouldnt be able to declare a war
- The weekly fee should dubble every week

Im not complaining, you'll have a clean up every time within your corporation/alliance, but sadly iv seen SO many people stop playing because of wars.

Why.. they only have maby 5-10 hours a week they can play. They wana be part of something and fly with their friends. Because of the limit time they have, they cant afford losing their ships, and flying a griffin or Rifter 5 weeks in a row aint really that fun.

The way war decs works are broken, its not used as intended as i see it. If you declare war you fight for something, a disagreement, area, power, ISK. Ill bet 99% of the war decs seen in EVE are greifers who just wana smack in local and extend their killboard. Who wana brag about how they managed to solo kill a Hulk because he was so stupid to undock due war.

There have been SO many suggestion and complaint on how the system works, some good some bad, at the end of the day more or less everyone iv spoken with on both sides of the table wants the system changed.

No they pay pennies..

Kicking people out of station: Umm....no. As much as I'd like to drag my prey out, the idea that you can force someone to undock when they just needed to step away for a minute is absurd. This would even be a bad troll.

Any changes to the wardec system that make it harder to declare/sustain a war need to come alongside changes that make it easier to actually engage in the war. As it stands right now, we're able to get fights from one out of ten wardecs, and we have to put a lot of effort into getting some of those.

You did consent to all of it when you accepted the risks that come along with being in a corp. Obviously it comes with perks that you may consider more beneficial than the risks... if you didn't know about these risks before hand well

I think you're just looking at it as though being in a corporation should only have benefits and thats not how the game is designed... its not like other games with guilds fortunatly/unfortunatly (depending on how you look at it).

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As someone who is in a PVP corp that does Hi Sec War Decs I understand what you are saying. I agree with you that the war decs can be frustrating at times, especially if you are on the receiving end. However since we regularly drop decs on people and in return get dec'd here is some advice.

First off as previously stated the people dec'n you usually are looking for easy kills, so if you deprive them of the opportunity they will lose interest fairly quickly. You can also gain intel on the people after you, such as looking through their member list and keeping tabs on them. Follow their killboards and see where they have been getting kills recently. Have some of your members take turns being scouts in surrounding systems in frigs, they can let you know if WT's are incoming and you can warp off. Not full proof but nothing is. Alts are great for this and as long as you pay attention you should be able to quickly warp to a safe and watch as the attackers get bored with not catching you and go somewhere else. Worst case you dock up go afk and after a few days of no kills they leave. Sucks but thats part of the experience of eve.

Another option also stated is make sure your corp has some people with good SP's to pvp, have fun with it and set up a defensive group, we have dec'd several Missioning/minning corps that have reshipped during decs and run protection for their other members and successfully fended off our attacks. Not only was it fun for both sides but new alliances were even made because of new found respect. Just because you are not in a pvp corp does not mean you cant look intimidating and you will probably find some of the people dropping decs don't know what to do when you land on grid with equal numbers.

You can also look into hiring a Merc corp such as ourselves to help out. Trust me when I say alot of people dropping dec's are counting on easy ganks and when you spend the isk to pay for a pvp corp to get a week of free decks on another corp it can cause your dec to be dropped FAST. Corps like mine will welcome someone paying us the fee to help them out. Its no isk from our wallet and more targets to choose from so were game.

I can only speak for my corp but in our case we tend to look for large corps with active members to deck since we are looking for fights, not 10 on 1 hulk kills (although we will take em if presented). Newbie corps aren't on our list but thats just us. We deck PVP corps regularly and look for those decs in return. Not everyone is looking to just ruin a high sec pilots week.

Changing the game mechanics is not the option, instead encouraging players to reach out and interact with others to find solutions is in my opinion the best way to go. Mail me in game if you need some help or even just want some more advice.

Hope this helps.

The whole war dec in High sec space is ridiculous and far too cheap and easy

In my opinion a war dec should ONLY be an option if that players corp steals from or aggresses you NOT just cause the other guy is minding their own buisness

Currently the war dec in high sec is to force people (that dont want to go to low sec or pvp) to pvp
Placed by space jerks that even though they could go to low sec or faction war to get pvp have to be scum and bother everyone else

Let people mission/mine in peace or change the war dec system to let the victim of a gank or theft in high sec to place a war dec INSTEAD of the cowardly placed war decs from people that just cant hack it in low sec

High sec war dec = pvp griefing by people that dont have the skills or brains nor the courage to live in low sec

Low sec --->->-> thata way

If ya all really looking for a fight go to low sec or faction war and be a hero