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The Federation and its oppressed nations

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SovietGuard
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#141 - 2014-12-05 01:48:23 UTC
"The soul of the Federation is evil in its purest form. This soul, that promotes democracy against rule of merited; this soul, that promotes individualism against collectivism; this soul, that promotes freedom against the order of law; and the soul, that promotes hedonism and self-pleasure instead of work for the common good. This soul is the worst thing that the Maker could bring upon us.

Democracy is a system, where voice of janitor has the same weight as a voice of a scientist.
Running a society by mob rule is not humane, it leads to degradation and degeneration.

In order for society to be progressive and prosper, only the merited shall rule."

-Diana Kim
Taraki Orani
BERSA Shipping Trading and Mining Co.
#142 - 2014-12-05 07:55:41 UTC
Really...

Well your so called "STATE" simply sucking people's workforce and make your citizins fed the corporation heads, with spitting over the people and not even showing the courtesy of calling it as "RAIN"

You should understand only one thing, that what matters most is the humans itself, not the "state". Your priority should be the wellfare of your citizens, not your state needs...

You said that there is a high rate of unemployment in federation whereas in State there is none and everyone is fed..... yea I mean working 20+ hours and eating cheap bread and butter while state heads drinking wine and eating beef...

Diana,Federation is based on the equality of opportunity, it is what makes people to be better, instead of being lazy. As they will now that in that kind of system, ıf they will push and go work, they can be in a better position. On that system, if there are still people starving, its because they chose to be like it.

Now, can you tell me honestly Diana that, a caldarian can be a state head without being born in your proletaria families? Your racism starts at birth, you divide people based on their physical behaviors andraise them to make the state ideals, not theirs... ın the end you simply kill the free will and the creativity of each person with at the end aiming to achieve autonomous robots freed from thinking...

Diana, I though you were a more reasonable... Indeed your State's racist ideals made you blind....

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#143 - 2014-12-05 08:37:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
The Federation must be destroyed, Ms. Orani
Taraki Orani wrote:
Really...

Well your so called "STATE" simply sucking people's workforce and make your citizins fed the corporation heads, with spitting over the people and not even showing the courtesy of calling it as "RAIN"

The State takes workforce, giving payment and services.
All employed citizens can request education, medical services, feeding, apartments, qualification tests.
If you do your work properly - you can have everything.
If you don't do your work properly... well, don't expect good payment and access to services.

Taraki Orani wrote:

You should understand only one thing, that what matters most is the humans itself, not the "state". Your priority should be the wellfare of your citizens, not your state needs...

The State IS the humans.
But priority goes to development of corporation first, and wellfare second.
If you go to wellfare first but neglect corporation, it will start stagnating, developing slower, quality of services and income of workers will sink, and they in the end will live way worse.
If you go for corporation development first, quality of services will be rising, income of workers will be rising, and thus environments workers are living in, their wellfare will become way higher, than if you started embezzling money on wellfare in the first place.

This is why Caldari work not for themselves, but for our State and our Corporation. We are the State. And corporations are consists of us. By working for corporation, we fork for ourselves, but not in petty individualistic manner like gallenteans, but for ourselves and everyone else who are working with us.

Taraki Orani wrote:

Diana,Federation is based on the equality of opportunity, it is what makes people to be better, instead of being lazy.

And in the State opportunity depends on your skills and responsibility.
Equality is simply stupid concept with anti-humane origin, because no one was ever born equal. Some were born smart to become scientists, other were born stupid to become janitors. A janitor will never become scientist in the State.

Taraki Orani wrote:

Now, can you tell me honestly Diana that, a caldarian can be a state head without being born in your proletaria families?

Yes.

Taraki Orani wrote:
Your racism starts at birth

No.
Caldari aren't racists.
Gallente are.

Caldari never called to exterminate all gallenteans.
Gallenteans did call to "Exterminate All Caldari" (please review events happened on Caldari Prime six years ago right before the current war has started)

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#144 - 2014-12-05 09:03:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Diana Kim
Taraki Orani wrote:

you divide people based on their physical behaviors andraise them to make the state ideals, not theirs...

Both physical and mental evaluation is necessary process to lead all citizens to their ideal jobs.
Personnel placement must be optimized and efficient, so every member of society would invest as much as possible for the common good. This way the society will develop faster and better.
The State isn't a place for whimsical incapable whining gallentean kids. In the the State you must do what you have to do, and not what you want to do.
When you are strong enough to willingly neglect your petty personal wishes for the interest of the whole society, this society will give you back everything you need.


Taraki Orani wrote:
ın the end you simply kill the free will and the creativity of each person

That's just straightforward lie, so ridiculous that I don't feel like I need to bring any arguments about it.
It is just a lie, and that's enough.

Taraki Orani wrote:
with at the end aiming to achieve autonomous robots freed from thinking...

That's the Sansha nation, not Caldari State.
And I'd say it is gallente society is closer to creating "autonomous robots freed from thinking" than our State.
Just watch through all these Gallentean propaganda, they push into their citizens as 'recreation' media.
It all makes them think only in terms of "yey freedom" , "democracy", "slavery is bad". Such brainwashed citizens couldn't even realize, that Federation doesn't even give them this freedom, and that freedom itself is evil in its pure form. That democracy is one of the most unefficient, archaic and degraded systems to rule anything, where grey incompetent half-wit masses take decisions instead of trained and tested smart personnel. And that slavery and other cultural perks aren't reasons for intervention and destruction of other peoples.

But, alas, federal brainwashed peoples can't think and analyse to weight all good and bad sides of these concepts. They just follow them like zombies, like a livestock.

Taraki Orani wrote:

Diana, I though you were a more reasonable... Indeed your State's racist ideals

I have said already, that it is gallente who are racists, not Caldari.
Should I repeat it every time?
I am getting tired replying on empty words.

Taraki Orani wrote:

made you blind....

Now that is such crazy lie, that it is nothing but just a petty Insult.

So much about being reasonable, eh? EH?
I really prefer shooting gallentes. It does more good than talking with them.

And this is why the Federation must be destroyed.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

KaRa DaVuT
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#145 - 2014-12-05 10:20:55 UTC  |  Edited by: KaRa DaVuT
Poor Kim..

You are so lost in your little State Beliefs, you cannot even see the truth...

With this level of obedience and unquestioning, I am sure you would be an exemplar soldier kiddo...

Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What God desires is in your heart and on your mind... And what you decide to do every day, makes you - not your race - a good man - or not.

Deacon Abox
Black Eagle5
#146 - 2014-12-05 15:45:15 UTC
Oh no, you've awakened it again. X Does a gap from November 26 to December 5 count as a necro? For this thread it should.Straight

CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting off button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#147 - 2014-12-05 16:05:28 UTC
Many of you need serious work doing to your translators. Mass sections of the debate here are nigh on unreadable.

Mind you, half of the tripe being spouted here would be unreadable even if it were perfectly translated into fluent Naapani. And I am not referring to Kim-haani, either.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

KaRa DaVuT
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#148 - 2014-12-08 07:47:28 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Many of you need serious work doing to your translators. Mass sections of the debate here are nigh on unreadable.

Mind you, half of the tripe being spouted here would be unreadable even if it were perfectly translated into fluent Naapani. And I am not referring to Kim-haani, either.


Thanks for letting us know that you are fluent on severa languages, like we even care...

Typical caldarian arrogance at its best ...

Oh by the way Pieter, your arrogance cannot hide your envy towards the Federation... I can see it on every speech you made.

How pathetic...


Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What God desires is in your heart and on your mind... And what you decide to do every day, makes you - not your race - a good man - or not.

Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#149 - 2014-12-08 10:48:28 UTC
KaRa DaVuT wrote:

... on severa languages...


In several.

Quote:

...caldarian...


Just Caldari or Caldanese, or if you wish to be more of a cosmopolite, Naapani.

Not that I have any kind of fondness for the State or his employer, but I believe Tuulinen-haan has a point there; you grunts could at least [i]pretend[/] you're civilized. Is it too much to ask for, really?
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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#150 - 2014-12-08 19:41:19 UTC
KaRa DaVuT wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Many of you need serious work doing to your translators. Mass sections of the debate here are nigh on unreadable.

Mind you, half of the tripe being spouted here would be unreadable even if it were perfectly translated into fluent Naapani. And I am not referring to Kim-haani, either.


Thanks for letting us know that you are fluent on severa languages, like we even care...

Typical caldarian arrogance at its best ...

Oh by the way Pieter, your arrogance cannot hide your envy towards the Federation... I can see it on every speech you made.

How pathetic...


I envy your huge population, vast number of viable colony worlds and your economic power. That is all - and these are all things that the State can look forward to, in time, despite your attempts to meddle.

If wanting more for my people is pathetic, then I'm pathetic, I guess...

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Liam Antolliere
Doomheim
#151 - 2014-12-09 00:33:06 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:

I envy your huge population, vast number of viable colony worlds and your economic power. That is all - and these are all things that the State can look forward to, in time, despite your attempts to meddle.

If wanting more for my people is pathetic, then I'm pathetic, I guess...


You are hardly pathetic, Commander Tuulinen.

I would suggest ignoring such comments as they are specifically designed to provoke a response.

While we may not agree on many things and our allegiances and ideals mark us as adversaries, I find little reason not to respect you and the conviction you hold that drives you to the actions you take.

If my opinion has any relevance at all.

"Though the people may hate me, that does not relieve me of my charge."

KaRa DaVuT
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#152 - 2014-12-09 11:53:39 UTC  |  Edited by: KaRa DaVuT
Liam Antolliere wrote:


While we may not agree on many things and our allegiances and ideals mark us as adversaries, I find little reason not to respect you and the conviction you hold that drives you to the actions you take.



I actually support this. and I agree the comments above.

Commander Tuulinen, I do not know that you were aware but, I deployed with our forces, Razor Alliance, to help you on Black Rise against the Federation Forces. I even made some propaganda posters to support your cause.

http://i.imgur.com/zCnpDpi.jpg

http://crossingzebras.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/cgYANt7.jpg

I made them not for the State BUT to protect the civilians from the war itself. My opinion is, whether state or federation, there is no difference when it comes to civilians.

For that, I respect you and your ideals related with the protection of the State civilians

If my opinion has any relevance at all.

Holiness is in right action and courage on behalf of those who cannot defend themselves, and goodness. What God desires is in your heart and on your mind... And what you decide to do every day, makes you - not your race - a good man - or not.

Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#153 - 2014-12-09 15:31:50 UTC
KaRa DaVuT wrote:


Very retro.

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