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Make WHs 100% like Anoms

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muhadin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-12-08 08:10:05 UTC  |  Edited by: muhadin
I feel like the major barrier of entry for wh space is that people don't like scanning, its tedious and it takes alot of time scanning out even a 5-10 jump wormhole chain. Ive been tossing around ideas about how to work around that. And the way wspace would operate if these changes went through.

So the general gist is to make wormholes easier to get to. Something like anoms 100% warp-to-able by any ship, no need to probe them. Null groups would just need to send out scout intys/dictors to find dynamic chains to elsewhere. Wh groups would just need to run down there chain quick and back to decide to keep it or not. WHs would be much more dangerous, because lets face it, its safer in wspace than highsec right now.

Alternatives would be a way to distiguish wormhole sigs from all the other sigs. Because that is a majority of the issue right there, having to scan down almost every other sig to be sure its not a wh. Or have a fast ship that can see wormholes and warp to them without having to probe, like the astero. Or just make wormholes easy to hit, like 100% on 8au probes.

In the end this is about making wormholes more appealing to newer players, and more pvp whether its wanted or not. Wormhole space will become much more popular.

Gonna keep this short and sweet. Enjoy. Feel free to post any ideas regarding the subject here.


TLDR: Wormhole chains should be much much easier to populate and go through. Wormhole space is too safe.

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Ron Mexxico
ElitistOps
Snuffed Out
#2 - 2014-12-08 08:11:28 UTC
SOD OFF
muhadin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-12-08 08:12:16 UTC
Ron Mexxico wrote:
SOD OFF


Don't let this dirty carebear sway you.

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Larry The Diplomat
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2014-12-08 08:13:03 UTC
This would cause many a diplomatic incidents lol. JK wh space is too dangerous in my opinion we need to make it safer.
Muzzaroo
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2014-12-08 08:15:43 UTC
"Lets take the Explore out of Explorations"

You Lazy bro?
James Baboli
Warp to Pharmacy
#6 - 2014-12-08 08:16:26 UTC
No.
Exploration income already been killed by the scanning changes, and WHs are hit by the major changes to how you come out of the hole.

IF you want to access WHs, then learn to scan.

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King Fu Hostile
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#7 - 2014-12-08 09:11:53 UTC
+1

Either make scanning hard again, or remove it. In its current form it's nothing but a useless time sink.
Kniht
#8 - 2014-12-08 09:18:10 UTC
muhadin wrote:
So the general gist is to make wormholes like stargates.

Isn't there already enough space with stargates?

o/ fly crazy

Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-12-08 09:21:01 UTC
The only thing I would like to see when it comes to scanning down WHs, and I'm not sure it is even a good/balanced thing to do, is have the WH type show up in the scanner window. So you would get something like this.

ID - Unstable Wormhole - X702 - 100%

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Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
#10 - 2014-12-08 09:24:14 UTC
King Fu Hostile wrote:
+1

Either make scanning hard again, or remove it. In its current form it's nothing but a useless time sink.


Not sure if trolling or not. Scanning isn't easier than before, it's just less of a tedium ... if you like launching your probes one by one and arranging them in the same formation for the 10.000th time, I welcome you to do so. It's still possible you know?

Everything in wormhole space is balanced around scanning. There is no instant content and it should remain so ...
Dustpuppy
New Eden Ferengi
#11 - 2014-12-08 10:57:16 UTC
-1

Scanning is part of exploration and wh belong to this part, too and it's already easy enough.

Making WH appearing like anoms wouldn't make them less safe, it would make them more safe. Jump in a WH and fly around cloaked without having to deploy probes makes me almost invisible.
Belim Rawne
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-12-08 11:26:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Belim Rawne
You break my heart Muhadin.

Gonna say no because otherwise i am not need in my Corp anymore.
Simsung Padecain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-12-08 13:12:30 UTC
Whatever your dealer sold you is not good for you
BadAssMcKill
Aliastra
#14 - 2014-12-08 13:23:58 UTC
He's right

Scanning isn't hard, its just tedious
Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#15 - 2014-12-08 14:03:29 UTC
Going to pass on that. Especially since cloaky T3 fleets could just warp wh to wh and only be visible for a couple of seconds as they jump into a new system, hit d scan and start warping to sites.

Essentially what you are describing is the end of small corporations in wh space.
Isabella Omega
Doomheim
#16 - 2014-12-08 14:04:38 UTC
-1

Too lazy to probe down a WH you don't deserve the rewards of the WH income. And he'll no WH isn't safe.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#17 - 2014-12-08 14:11:55 UTC
I'd just move them to their own category so you have Anomaly, Wormhole and Signature. That's the most in simplification I'd agree to.
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#18 - 2014-12-08 14:19:36 UTC
We actually need to drip the ore anoms back to being scannable, its rare that you can mine an anom and a ganker shows up via alt leaves a lot if anoms are left untouched due to it

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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2014-12-08 14:28:29 UTC
Ab'del Abu wrote:
Not sure if trolling or not. Scanning isn't easier than before, it's just less of a tedium ... if you like launching your probes one by one and arranging them in the same formation for the 10.000th time, I welcome you to do so. It's still possible you know?

Everything in wormhole space is balanced around scanning. There is no instant content and it should remain so ...

I think he refers to discovery scanner and how it gives away the very fact of signatures being present in system and location you need to scan.

I can't help but to compare it to more traditional MMOs and their design philosophy of "see this pile? if your skill is equal or more than 100, apply tool and get goodies".

Then again, before we had tools that could trivialize any system to this, making the process just a time sink again, so I dunno...
Tchulen
Trumpets and Bookmarks
#20 - 2014-12-08 14:58:18 UTC
If WHs showed up as anoms it would mean that it would be impossible to get stuck in a WH. The risk of getting stuck in a WH is part of the risk/reward balance for some of a small fleet not wasting a high slot on a probe launcher.

Personally, I don't think this would be a good thing, overall.

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