EVE General Discussion

Picked the game back up for a free 10 day retrial.
Loved the new content so i decided to give it a try.

My first problem arose when i tried to purchase a month and found that my bank would not allow international purchases and so was forced to buy plex at 20 bucks.
Not CCP's fault.

So i chose to reinvest my choices into PI. It was a passive income that would allow me to have a steady stream of very low maintenance income. After learning the absurd tax rates in High sec and investing 20 million of my now dwindled ISK i was shocked at how hard it would be to make this work in high sec. So i started to search for a corp in low/null sec.

After moving 44 jumps down and getting a 100 million contribution i started off working for the corp selling my PI for Amarr Fuel Blocks for our POS. At this time i had no clue but spent many hours looking at youtube guides.

PI allowed for little fun for me so i wanted to get into some PVP. Well right off the bat i learned that i was going to be at a huge drawback not having a single one tech 2 or higher frigate, cruiser or bs. Not only that flying anything higher than a tech 1 cruiser was going to cost me 50million isk, which my income currently could not fullfill. Soooooo i had to get a steady stream of income into the game to finance my ultimate goal of PVP.
I started training mining up thinking this would work.
Got frustrated when i got scammed by the marginal trading. Then got suicided gank withing 5minutes of my new coverts 50million ship. I was beyond furious. I was in high sec mining ice and withing a few minutes was dead. All my investment into making an income gone. Frustrated i asked my corps to help and i got a new supply of ISK. T
Then i tried gas mining.
5 dead ventures later and out anohter 30 million and getting scammed on contracts.. I about just give up.
This game is extremely fun only to a point. New players have huge, overwelming disadvantages in this game. And it is very aggravating for me to pick up another month. Any suggestions.

Eve isk/hr scales extremely well with your knowledge and understanding. By constantly jumping around every time something fails, you never gain the knowledge needed to actually excel at something. As a simple example, I am 95% certain you were high sec mining in a covetor or retriever. if you were in a semidecently fit procurer, you would not have been ganked. Now a committed miner would have looked up what he could do to avoid ganks after dying and figured this out. Instead you gave up and moved onto something else.

The same applies for scams. Someone who gets scammed can give up and switch to another activity, or they could look on the Eve Uni wiki for a comprehensive list of scams so they are prepared next time.

As for corp fleets, your corp should have some form of SRP to reimburse ships lost in PvP. Otherwise, you should probably go for a different corp.

Oh, and to answer your original question, you can earn 40m isk per hour in a T1 frigate doing faction warfare plexes. it also gives you the opportunity to learn a bit about PvP.

Here is my question as a player just over a week old.

How on earth are you piloting ships that cost 50mil?

Im losing ventures that cost 1mil equipped (under I think) and punishers that cost under 2mil....corp supplies those for free but ive managed to make enough to cover myself via faction warfare novice capture points as well as mining on a second account I snagged.

I mean with progression in the skill system comes the ability to make more isk which covers the increased cost....right?

Start farming stuff in cheaper ships and stop losing them (part of my assumption is that you are the eve equivalent of a blonde chick running around with tons of jewelry on and a big expensive purse at 2am in harlem screaming on your iphone how the atm would only let you withdrawal $300)

Don't lose what you cant afford....if your making a few million isk per hour try flying a ship that costs under 2mil, even if its not as efficient....nothings less efficient then losing a 50M isk ship while your racking in a few million isk per hour....

This character is from back in 2007 and i have about 5 months of skill research all together.
I suggest getting into PI it only takes about a week of skill research and can provide 10million a day.

Pretty much this. There are corporations out there that will flat-out buy you battlecruisers for pvp, as long as you're willing to actually do it.

Your primary concern right now should be to find a non-bear corporation, but one that's not purely focused on pvp either (the good ones won't take you anyway, yet). There are always tasks required by older players that rookies are perfect for (eg: bring this item to me here, I'll give you 5m), on top of your normal, solo pve activities. For solo pve, I would recommend exploration.

There's such a thing as trying to do much too soon. I know it's a temptation to be insta-über, especially when coming from somewhere one may have been the BMOC. However, running with the big dogs here (for you new players) is going to take some time. Most of this is due to training time. Even if you have the money to buy the great ship, compared to the vets you'll encounter out there, the lack of skill will certainly cost a bundle.

No, as you can see from this OP's laundry list of shortcomings, there's only an expensive sad song waiting for those who think the gear makes the player in this venue. I can't emphasize this enough (and I get to say it at least twice a year), do NOT get in a hurry in EVE. Take your time. Enjoy your development as a player. It will take time. So, take the time.

Getting in a hurry here is how you farm bad memories and (with many) an ulcer to match.

new players start off with missions in high sec, ratting (shooting npc pirates) in null, or exploration.

Exploration with a noob ship (heron) you can pull in several hundred mil per night. In a semi-decent astero you can pull in a billion per night.

Today I pulled in 5bn in blueprints from 1 hour of exploration - but i know where to look and what to do - and i got lucky.

EDIT - exploration is basically finding archeology or data sites with probes, warping to them, hacking the loot cans, and filling up your cargo hold with goodies. High sec exploration is very safe and doable in a T1 frigate. Low and null is MUCH more profitable, but astero is highly recommended because of the covert cloak. Wormholes are used as shortcuts to get in and out of deep null.

So, fit up a heron or whatever T1 frigate, go to 0.5 space, start scanning for easy data and relic sites. find them, read about them, hack them. Once you are comfortable, move to low sec. Then to astero and null.

Here, read this, and do this: http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Exploration

Ignore the last two posters,
if you take nothing else away from this thread it should be to do as many and as varied a thing that is not what either of those two suggest.

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Join SMERG. We're happy to have a noob in a T1 frig that isn't afraid to fly fast-tackle, and we will teach you how to do it right if you're willing to listen.
We live in Molden Heath, and we'll have a a fleet going out, nearly every day of the week.

CEO will be on, tonight.