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I would be completely dissapointed if they will hold it, I think PBR is still an improvement, and current ships on TQ are less appealing to the eye, too murky and unrealistic. I have seen the new ships dammit. I want them. Details and textures they can polish later, they already look great for me with this PBR look.

For the first pass, I think the majority of hulls look pretty good. There's always room for improvement in the future. I think anyone expecting a bulk inflammatory reaction from this change is just being hyperbolic. Tech-wise, the game needs to move forward, but you will always have people advocating against this.

They will be traumatized, right? There will be threats about unsubbing all acounts, and biomassing, I can't wait to see how much % those subscriptions will drop after people will see their PBR ships.

If you feel my comments here have been light on promises:

I've talked with my teammates and understand what their plan is for moving forward, but I am on the technical side and I can't firmly commit to specific art changes because it's not within my personal ability to make them.

There's a lot going on in the art area. Priorities change based on what's doable, what's needed by the rest of EVE development, and what we think will have the best impact on the player experience. Frankly, it's far more than I can hold in my head and it changes too fast to come here and say "Here's where we'll be in February. I promise."

What I can communicate clearly is that we care very much about EVE's look being as amazing as it can be. I'm posting this at midnight on a Sunday night because I care about the game, and the rest of our team are in the same place. Yes, your feedback is being heard and read. Yes, more of the team than just me are reading this thread.

As far as what will happen in the immediate near term, here are some facts: Rhea's getting released on Tuesday, with PBR. Starting over the next couple weeks, people are going to be taking vacations for the holidays. This limits how much we'll be able to do during that time, and it limits how much response you'll get when you comment on the forums.

However, the rest of the winter, starting the first week of January, will be a busy time and I think you'll find that the pace of fixes and changes will be very satisfactory.

Thanks for all your feedback. Yes, we'll still be reading, and I'll try to post in relevant threads once in a while to let you know that's the case.

people in this thread are managing to forget that EVE has always been a. gorgeous and b. a WIP visually, without clear generations of graphics change but constant work here and there bridging between the periods of larger, systematic graphical improvements, and the big leaps always leave some parts behind too, with old art assets sitting next to new, but even in eve's most dire days the art department has done a first-rate job and this is not a new approach for the game and it is not one that has failed before. (but oh dear jesus the stars really do look eleven years old)

I think I have been here a while longer than you have... and I haven't forgotten anything, it's that I remember and was present for most of EVE, I wouldn't have mentioned Trinity if I hadn't been there for it... e.g.

You don't need to be a fan-boi, the people here aren't throwing rocks, they care as much as CCP does about their game, and where it goes - we are saying critical things because that was what was asked - "yes, yes" doesn't help move things forward, and we are not in grade school where if you say something critical CCP devs will break out in tears... we understand they work hard, and they put a lot into the game we love to play.

I, like many have been here a long time, we (all) care about EVE, CCP and the people and game, we want it to be the best game out there (and it is in imho) and CCP is (having worked in a few IT companies) sounds like a great place to work if you passion is EVE.

The simple point is that some of PBR is not looking as it could, the idea is to get that on the radar and then make it work, my concern was that since this is the holidays and all, that perhaps it wasn't the best time to launch a all new product that will have some very visible issues in it on a holiday public that could cause some major crying and all when CCP is trying to enjoy the holidays - the reason I am concerned is because I do not want to see CCP have an issue like the "summer of rage" with the CQ and all that - I was there for that as well, and I remember a particular thread I posted that ran a few 1000s replies on it in a day or so about -1 no hangar basically being the content of commentary.

PBR will be outstanding, it will work well, it is an improvement, so don't think anyone is saying it will not be, what we are all saying (imho) is that we see issues with the current iteration and we are not sure how this will shake out for the current update with the time of year and all that.

But it's going forward, so it may be fine it may be rough going... will see, either way CCP will do what needs doing, and EVE will keep being EVE.

On that note, I wish everyone a happy holidays, and a happy new year.

EVE: Forever.

No please.... just, no...

Me myself would love to see that, paint my proteus matte white with a shinny red stripe through its long axis...

And Petra would love to go smoke some synthetic ganja in a Minmanigro station where she can find some male strippers and transfer a couple of millions to that hot 14 inch mandingo for a lap dance and go gamble a hundred million isk on a Slay game later... (I'm talking about Walk in stations here)

Yes i'd love to fashion up my ships and Roleplay a lil' bit, but I think this is not the place nor the time.

Yes, CCP Seagull showed a sneek peak of that feature in last Fanfest but Hilmar asked on Fanfest 2013 if people wanted to see more about WiS on 2014's Fanfest and they showed nothing of such regard...

One step at a time, when i first saw Dust on ps3 i had the feeling that it was an experiment CCp was doing, now they are going to refocus on Legion, who doesnt tell you that in 2-3 whatever the years they will integrate this Legion into the EvE client and we will be able to walk inside capital ships, shoot our way into a null player outpost and slaughter this stripper i was telling you before and go down the surface and walk over the Kaalakiota mountains in Caldari Prime and wonder on the remnants of the old Raata Empire? so yeah... one step at a time...

Hi again,

Taking a close look at the Onyx, here is what you can see on the side : Red marks with a white outline, zoomed out it looks like a light red, really odd for a Kalaakiota ship, and quite out of place.

Now look at the prospect : Same red marks, but no white outline... Much better.

I suggest you do the same with the Onyx :)

New devblog just got released regarding PBR: https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/pbr-and-making-eve-look-real/


On this image there's the perfect example of the issues http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/66739/1/megathron_new.jpg


On the old one we can see the hues of the hull, the lines, the shaders, green and grey parts.

On the new one the hues are gone, the textures look more uniform, however, we can see how the hull has gained volume, we can see how the light reflects perfectly on the lines, i dont know if thats created with parallax mapping or its just the PBR itself, but you can see an improvement, but its just that the textures are just not as rich as in the old one.

All i know is that PBR as per now, its a wannabe...