Player Features and Ideas Discussion

We definitely agree on that, check the rest of the thread.

just saying if there was one for mission runners, it may be more helpful for a mission runner than one full of mission runners, miners, traders and player corp drop outs etc

@Donnac

geeze where to start:

1. No you cannot rule out social interactions with a mention of team speak and vent. Not everyone has a vent and team speak server. No chat channels are not a replacement for a corp. Chat channels do not get a mail list, they do not get a calender, they do not get a bullet in board, they do not get notes (soon tm) they do not get a killboard. Read the thread.

'Making that which is already possible, easier to do and more accessible is not always a bad thing.'





2. Players LEAVE the game because they were war decced and didnt understand what was going on. I've been on the war deccing side of such interactions.

War decs may be easy to avoid, but why should everyone have to go through the bureaucratic bull **** of dropping corp and making a new one when they clearly have no interest in fighting a war dec or owning any corp assets (yet). Its completely unnecessary to force such players to chose between; being in the hell hole that is an NPC corp, remaking a corp every now and then just to play the game with your friends or quitting the game altogether because you get sick of it all.

This is particularly pertinent question when 'social' corps offer no mechanical benefits whatsoever, it only enables them to organise and socially interact with the players they chose to be in corp with.




3. No AWOXing would not be possible

read: 'behaves like an NPC corp in every way'

AWOXing in an asset based corp is a good thing however.




4. 'Who decides what type of corp a player can form? If you leave it up to the players will they form one of these new corps, or choose to form a normal corp so they can have a POS at some point?'

You mean they have a meaningful choice to make?




5. higher tax??

read: 'behaves like an NPC corp in every way'




6. How do wardeccers feel?

i feel pretty good about this idea. You dec the corp, not the players. This idea means you dec the corps which are avoiding tax or a have assets, but you cant dec the group of RL friends who are a week old and only formed a corp so they could play and learn the game together and have no particular ambitions a week into the game.

There are multiple FREE options out there besides Team Speak and Ventrilo one of them is the in game voice chat that can be used on any chat channel in the game. If players do not have some form of voice chat then it is because they do not want one, or they are to lazy to find them. Perhaps referring to "all of the people I know" was not the best idea I should have kept it more generic but I do understand your point.

Now to these calendar, kill board, bulletin board, mail lists etc. I did read these, based on your perspective what you fail to recognize is that the vast majority of the casual high sec gamers probably rarely use these so not having them would be irrelevant.


There may be a small amount of truth to this, however in my experiences people drop corp and reform the moment they get the notification that they have been WD so I doubt very much that this is an issue. And the larger corps that have assets like a POS will likely have an alt as the CEO anyway so they are free to drop their main into an NPC and keep going or they are big enough that they can mount aa effective counter to the WD.



So how do you propose that CCP prevent AWOXIng in these corps?
As to your assertion that AWOXing is a good thing in an asset based corp I fail to see how. So you join a corp and then shoot people, at least until they get smart and kick you out, other than padding your kill board what does it achieve? Granted in null and possibly low sec I can envision where a carefully planned and timed killing due to AWOX could disrupt operations at least on a temporary basis but I really doubt that ever has or ever will happen. In high sec however killing people due to an AWOX is not likely to affect anything that is of any value.


Damn and you tell me I need to read, here it is quoted below so you do not have to go and try and find it.
Current NPC taxes are around 10% to 15% if I remember correctly and here people want to raise that to 50% at least. Not sure from this posted section if they think these "social corps" should be that high. However if they are to be "the same as NPC" as you state then whatever the tax rate is for the NPC would be the tax rate for these "social corps".
On many levels these ideas for higher taxes are bad for the game as a whole.
They only tax a portion of the game player base penalizing them for the game choices they make.
Why should these "social corps" be subjected to the NPC tax rate when they are in fact a player owned corp? it seems to be a bit of a double standard to me and that is bad.
Even if they go this way what makes you think players will opt for one of these social corps and pay the taxes when they can just form a "real" corp and pay none of them. The WD risk will not stop them as you have pointed out there are to many easy ways to avoid them.

Even if the vast majority of casual hi-sec players dont want a bullet in board (and im not saying i agree with that sentiment) why should we deny others that might when it takes hardly any work to implement?

There are already mechanics in place where you can be in a corp and get concorded for AWOXing. And just like ganking, AWOXing provides risk to otherwise trivial activities. It has an effect, it is significant. Therefore it adds value to otherwise trivial activities like being in an asset based corp. A corp where recruitment is done properly is safer than a corp that lets anyone in. It rewards effort, and makes that corp more valuable. This, to me, is a very good thing.

i didnt think anyone was taking that part of steppa's post seriously and assumed you were replying to the OP.