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FW - Novice Plex Change - Ship Level

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Eric Shang
The United Front of Fathers
Dadsuleers
#1 - 2014-12-05 11:03:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Eric Shang
I am going to be so slated here but what the hell.

I am coming at this more from a new player’s perspective and not my own so please take this on board when you comment here with spew and abuse.

I want new pilots that get into solo pvp to at least stand a bit of a chance against a higher skilled (SP) pilot like myself but the problem we have with novice plexes in FW is that it allows for Pirate and Navy Frigates to enter them.

I fly mostly T1 Frigs so can understand what a new player would be flying when in combat.

If you are in a Novice and you in a T1 Frigate ready to defend your FW plex and you see something like a Dramiel or a Firetail on scan you have to warp out.

There is no fight for you there and your time in the plex is wasted.

I don’t know if it is possible but I would restrict Novice to only T1 Frigates.

If Frigates had a Meta level like the modules it would be:

T1
T2
Navy
Pirate

I don’t understand how Navy and Pirate frigates are allowed in a Novice when Cleary a Novice should be for new pilots and so should only be T1 Frigates as it’s what they would be flying.

Also please remember that new players do not have links or drugs to help them fight pirate or navy ships. Mosy new players also dont have overheating modules.

Novice should = T1

Ex Pirate - Now a reborn priest for Faith Singularity

My Pirate Journey: http://ericshangthepirate.wordpress.com/
Gawain Edmond
Khanid Bureau of Industry
#2 - 2014-12-05 12:48:35 UTC
first off everyone in fw gets navy ships dirt cheap from the lp store secondly since the T1 frigs got a buff and the navy ships didn't the T1 frigs have things they do far better than the navy ships.
Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#3 - 2014-12-05 13:07:38 UTC
Gawain Edmond wrote:
first off everyone in fw gets navy ships dirt cheap from the lp store secondly since the T1 frigs got a buff and the navy ships didn't the T1 frigs have things they do far better than the navy ships.


Wat? Navy frigs got buffed as well. Firetail used to be pretty garbage, now its decent. Fed comet is strong, but thats business as usual for gal dominance in everything.

As to the OP, i agree to an extent. Navy should still be allowed, but not pirate. nothing worse than a novice full of garmurs. However i myself find this a minor inconvienence. Just find another plex or adapt your ship to counter them.

Give Battlecruisers range to fullfil their Anti-Cruiser role - OP SUCCESS

Make the Muninn great again!
Evora Pirkibo
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2014-12-05 14:44:33 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LackOfFaith
There's no balance issue between navy and t1 frigs. Pirate frigs can be a bit tougher to handle but they're not that hard. A t1 frig with a wide engagement profile may need to be altered to handle certain pirate frigs, situationally dependant ofc.

That ******** 30k decloak bubble is more of an issue than the previeced problem of novice pled balancing.

Edit: goin a bit soft with the censorship... {Snip. Evading the profanity filter is not allowed. -- ISD LackOfFaith}

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Eric Shang
The United Front of Fathers
Dadsuleers
#5 - 2014-12-05 14:54:48 UTC
Gawain Edmond wrote:
first off everyone in fw gets navy ships dirt cheap from the lp store secondly since the T1 frigs got a buff and the navy ships didn't the T1 frigs have things they do far better than the navy ships.


lol Good luck with soloing a Navy commet that most people now fly in Novice plexes to hunt new pilots in their T1 Frigates for easy lol's.

Ex Pirate - Now a reborn priest for Faith Singularity

My Pirate Journey: http://ericshangthepirate.wordpress.com/
Skir Skor
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#6 - 2014-12-05 16:08:09 UTC
I've only been in LS for just over a year, but in that time there has been power creep in the nov plex.

- Introduction of the Astero and Garmur
- Buff to the Worm, Crucor amd Succubus
- Nerf to the LML which is felt mostly in the Condor

The standard line for introducing new players into FW is to fit up 20 cheap t1 frigs and make some explosions, but tbh with the current meta there is too many hard counters to a new bro in am Atron.

I'd remove the Pirate frigs from the Novice. Worm and Garmur and really strong and IMO they are the two stongest ships that can enter a Small, so having them in a Nov is poor game design.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2014-12-05 16:08:36 UTC
Err, how would a new pilot with a T1 fit rifter fare against someone packing T2 or even faction everything, with most if not all the relevant skills maxed out, and (possibly) better understanding of the game mechanics?

Hell, even in identical fits, the skills give the older player a huge edge. This wouldn't actually solve anything at all, but I suspect it's just a stealth attempt to get worms out of novice sites.
Skir Skor
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#8 - 2014-12-05 16:25:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Skir Skor
I rolled a fresh toon a few months ago. My 3 day old toon scram-kited a mwd fit merlin and disposed of a Condor, both T2 fit. But a new toon engagement profile is very small, having vastly superior ships in a nov makes the engagement profile even smaller.
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#9 - 2014-12-05 16:42:17 UTC
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#10 - 2014-12-05 17:52:15 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
This topic came up in discussions during the FW revamp.

I am not sure if this is still the case, but the DEVs explained that Navy and Pirate faction ships are technically Tech 1 ships. That is why they could not lock them out of Novice complexes.


As far as matchups go... Navy Faction ships are not that much different/better than "plain-jane" Tech 1 ships. They simply have 50% more HP and an extra fitting slot. Beyond this, they generally don't have any any special gimmick.
I've personally taken on Comets while flying Tristans... and I either lose or win when both of us are in hull.

Now Pirate Faction ships... that's a different story entirely. Those things are powerhouses.

How did you Veterans start?
Eric Shang
The United Front of Fathers
Dadsuleers
#11 - 2014-12-06 21:06:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Eric Shang
ShahFluffers wrote:
This topic came up in discussions during the FW revamp.

I am not sure if this is still the case, but the DEVs explained that Navy and Pirate faction ships are technically Tech 1 ships. That is why they could not lock them out of Novice complexes.


As far as matchups go... Navy Faction ships are not that much different/better than "plain-jane" Tech 1 ships. They simply have 50% more HP and an extra fitting slot. Beyond this, they generally don't have any any special gimmick.
I've personally taken on Comets while flying Tristans... and I either lose or win when both of us are in hull.

Now Pirate Faction ships... that's a different story entirely. Those things are powerhouses.


Well then the Dev's who said that should really look at how they announce things to do with meta.

Modules that are navy or pirate have a much higher meta than t1 modules.

So in no way shape or form is navy or pirate T1.

Ex Pirate - Now a reborn priest for Faith Singularity

My Pirate Journey: http://ericshangthepirate.wordpress.com/
Eric Shang
The United Front of Fathers
Dadsuleers
#12 - 2014-12-06 21:11:38 UTC
Danika Princip wrote:
Err, how would a new pilot with a T1 fit rifter fare against someone packing T2 or even faction everything, with most if not all the relevant skills maxed out, and (possibly) better understanding of the game mechanics?

Hell, even in identical fits, the skills give the older player a huge edge. This wouldn't actually solve anything at all, but I suspect it's just a stealth attempt to get worms out of novice sites.


Dont get me wrong I think the player would still most likely not win unless maybe its a brawler vs a kiter and the new player kites the brawler higher skilled player to death.

It happens even to me.

But allowing the navy and pirate frigs into the Novice brings the fight possibilities of a win to the new player to almost zero.

Ex Pirate - Now a reborn priest for Faith Singularity

My Pirate Journey: http://ericshangthepirate.wordpress.com/
Foxstar Damaskeenus
why did i join this corp
Not Purple Shoot It.
#13 - 2014-12-06 21:30:32 UTC
Eve is a lot like playing poker, you have to fold and not bet most of the time.

Also, while solo pvp pilots and videos are impressive, Eve is about exploitation. Plex with friends from your corp and get the tasty pirate frig kills in your cheap T-1 gang.

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