Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So, capitals in hisec could never be used in wardecs? Or never have killrights activated on them? Or never accidentally go suspect?

They'd provide just as much opportunity for content in hisec as any other ship. The only form of hisec "content" that wouldn't really apply to them is suicide ganking.

It just adds a means for capital size abuse of mechanics. I'll tell you what, once you have removed ALL the station game crap from eve, then and only then will capitals in HS be legitimately discussed.

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It also adds ways to overcome single-system roadblocks in losec pipes, allows for much easier removal of long-dead towers in hisec, adds incentive for players to leave NPC corps to use them in wardecs, and provides many more opportunities for big ships to go pop in the hands of stupid pilots. And if you limit where they can go (i.e. 0.7 and below, no acceleration gates, no cynos, no fighter assigns), they won't become PVE moneymaking monsters or completely kill the hisec POS market either.

But I repeat myself.

An interesting scenario that could cause issues if the restrictions that I had mentioned were not put into place.

I took your scenario, loaded up Dotlan, and looked at Taisy and Misaba as endpoints, assuming a transit from Tribute to Providence. I then used the Route planner to find the "fastest route" and each time the route came across a 0.8 system or higher, I added it to the avoid list. I repeated this process until I had a route that went from north to south, across hisec, without entering a 0.8 or higher system.

The resulting route was 49 jumps long, including 15 jumps through nullsec in Provi and several jumps through active FW systems.

Hardly seems low-risk to me.

EDIT: The "prefer hisec" route (which took a while to calculate) was 68 jumps and still had a dozen losec systems in the route (excluding the endpoints). So there is still some risk there, not to mention the considerable time necessary.

If capitals were allowed unrestricted access to hisec, yes, what you proposed would likely be an issue. I think unrestricted capital access would be a bad idea. That's why I proposed limited access, so carriers, dreads, and Rorqs (not supercaps) could overcome small hisec roadblocks along losec pipes without being able to cut right through the middle of hisec and avoid risk altogether. If they end up adding some content to the fringes of hisec...all the better.

With the Phoebe travel changes, CCP specifically stated that they wanted to encourage capitals to use stargates as an alternative travel method to their jump drives. This works great in nullsec, but in losec this is vision is much harder to realize.

Currently, there are several major losec pipes that are blocked by a one or a small handful of hisec systems that prevents that from fully happening. (See Sazilad in Aridia, and Orvolle in Placid for example) There are also several potential travel lanes that could be opened up on the edge of hisec that could be taken advantage of. (See Oijanen to Obe in The Forge for example)

Yes, they could just jump past the hisec islands. They could also just ignore stargates completely and jump from start to finish. But what they can't do is use stargates all the way, which limits their travel ability beyond what CCP seems to want them to have.

This isn't noob envy. This isn't "Oooh, more Veldnaughts". This isn't Apex mission running. This is me wanting to see capital ships used as CCP has said that they wanted them to be used, plain and simple.


I've provided multiple reasons why allowing non-super capitals into certain regions of hisec would be a good thing (or, depending on your view of things, not be a bad thing). I have yet to see any reason why maintaining the current hisec restrictions is any better.

Can you, or anyone else, provide any compelling reason to maintain the current hisec restriction on capitals? "It's always been done that way", HTFU, etc. are not compelling reasons.

Not to mention their relatively massive ehp is a problem.

If you ban capital mod use in high-sec then people will just switch to using large local and remote reppers... which a capital can sustain almost indefinitely (I am looking at an Archon lol-fit with 4 large reppers that can tank 1200 dps). And if it can't... well... that wall of ehp can help the capital ride out the engagement timer to dock up again.


I have said it before in other threads like this and I'll say it again; there isn't any one aspect of a capital that makes it unreasonably powerful in high-sec. It is everything combined... base ehp, capacitor levels, ancillary abilities, fitting ability, etc.

The reason that capitals are not [too] unreasonably powerful in low and null-sec is because anyone and everyone can engage them at will without warning.

I have mixed thoughts about this, let's say; neither agree nor disagree. I can feel that banning lvl4's is not needed for carriers or dreadnaught, simply because you would finish 2-3 missions in a row with a bs while trying to crawl from warp-in point to next room's gate in your first mission with a capital :D
It is simply not effective.

This is my concern as well. Carriers and Dreadnaughts would be the best ships for hauling high value cargo.

You can fill it up with 100b isk in cargo, fit it semicompetently, and autopilot to your destination with no risk.