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[Rhea] Introducing the Bowhead

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JP Dante
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1661 - 2014-12-06 12:03:49 UTC  |  Edited by: JP Dante
Damn, I was hoping it would at least be comparable in hp's to the Freighters, Its not even half the hp... this is just big juicy gank target. Seeking out the Bowheads will become the new low risk roulette game of eve... will you get a rigged shop? or a goat! Step and try your luck, gank a Bowhead near you today!

So it states base hp and bonuses based on feedback... my question then is who's? certainly not the players as this forum clearly indicates.
Masao Kurata
Perkone
Caldari State
#1662 - 2014-12-06 15:14:04 UTC
ARGH! I am sick of idiots of who can't grasp the difference between raw HP and fitted EHP.
Lil' Brudder Too
Pistols for Pandas
#1663 - 2014-12-06 17:06:38 UTC
James Baboli wrote:

Sigamp loki with quad web takes it <3s to get into warp as is.


Hyena - 3 webs...it warps the instant the frigate locks it. I never move any of my cap ships without it.

New Icon SiSi feedback thread that got wholly ignored!

An example of that a good ship icon set looks like.
Sturmwolke
#1664 - 2014-12-06 18:22:42 UTC
Yume Ookami wrote:
Random McNally wrote:
CCP Rise wrote:
Acquisition will work the same as freighters - there will be a NPC seeded BPO (with the same distribution as the Orca), it will be a bit cheaper than a freighter BPO, the Bowhead build materials will also be similar to other Freighters but will be be a bit lower. I would expect eventual market price to be 100 or 200 mil lower than other freighters.

It will use capital rigs.

I think it's been said other places but as far as loot - we hope to get a change ready in time for Rhea that will make SMA loot work the same as CHAs where the contents will be inside the wreck on ship death, it's still not totally clear if that will happen in time but it would be in the following release if not.

I'm not convinced about the EHP needing to be higher but I'll bring this to the rest of the team and get back to you.

Hey Rise, for those of us with CRS (Cannot Remember S***), does this mean Bowhead bpo will be available only in ORE space?

(sincerely apologize if this has been mentioned earlier)


i have not seen it mentioned earlier, and i hope that we can find these in more places than just 'ORE space'
or better yet have an ORE station in highsec that will have them.


" there will be a NPC seeded BPO (with the same distribution as the Orca)" - if this is still correct, then the BPO would be available in highsec like the Orca.
Look for Deep Core Mining Inc. stations.
Zyxi Zhou-Laun
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1665 - 2014-12-06 22:13:44 UTC
Masao Kurata wrote:
ARGH! I am sick of idiots of who can't grasp the difference between raw HP and fitted EHP.


well, I think I have some idea, but why don't YOU educate us?

hello wall... I didn't see you standing there. Did I hurt cha? Boy, I sure did hit you square. Now one of us is plastered. I'll let you guess just who. Just imagine, bumping into you.
Mistah Ewedynao
Ice Axe Psycho Killers
#1666 - 2014-12-07 15:13:45 UTC
Up the armor amount to equal the shield amount.

That way a pilot in a proper fleet with BOTH shield and armor boosts, along with some decent implants could at least keep the gankers guessing.

As it is now, you'd almost think it was designed to give a new fat target for the gankers.

Nerf Goons

Nuke em from orbit....it's the only way to be sure.
marly cortez
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1667 - 2014-12-07 19:13:22 UTC
Utterly Pitiful idea.

3 BS at maxed skills....really???.

Expand the SMA to be able to carry half a fleets worth of BS and then maybe it's worth the effort of training skills and actually buying one for a Corp, other than that Gankers would have more fun holding a BS pilot to ransom and having him eject.

Corps once had a perfectly good ship transport, they were called 'Carriers', but someone decided these had to be nerfed to the point they became useless for that task so now there relegated to PoS repping and defense, Seems CCP's blind desperation has finally come to this, Spending weeks designing and specifying an utterly useless ship design, might as well dress it with a shoot here sign for all it's worth.

Humanity is the thin veneer that remains after you remove the baffled chimp.
Zyxi Zhou-Laun
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1668 - 2014-12-07 20:28:00 UTC
marly cortez wrote:
Utterly Pitiful idea.

3 BS at maxed skills....really???.

Expand the SMA to be able to carry half a fleets worth of BS and then maybe it's worth the effort of training skills and actually buying one for a Corp, other than that Gankers would have more fun holding a BS pilot to ransom and having him eject.

Corps once had a perfectly good ship transport, they were called 'Carriers', but someone decided these had to be nerfed to the point they became useless for that task so now there relegated to PoS repping and defense, Seems CCP's blind desperation has finally come to this, Spending weeks designing and specifying an utterly useless ship design, might as well dress it with a shoot here sign for all it's worth.


why should they make a ship which has an obvious use from the start?

And why put a sign on it? The entire ship is a gank target.

hello wall... I didn't see you standing there. Did I hurt cha? Boy, I sure did hit you square. Now one of us is plastered. I'll let you guess just who. Just imagine, bumping into you.
Yume Ookami
Cognitive Disonance
#1669 - 2014-12-07 20:31:47 UTC
marly cortez wrote:
Utterly Pitiful idea.

3 BS at maxed skills....really???.

Expand the SMA to be able to carry half a fleets worth of BS and then maybe it's worth the effort of training skills and actually buying one for a Corp, other than that Gankers would have more fun holding a BS pilot to ransom and having him eject.

Corps once had a perfectly good ship transport, they were called 'Carriers', but someone decided these had to be nerfed to the point they became useless for that task so now there relegated to PoS repping and defense, Seems CCP's blind desperation has finally come to this, Spending weeks designing and specifying an utterly useless ship design, might as well dress it with a shoot here sign for all it's worth.


hmm it would seem that we have a nullsec'er here that does not understand that this was intended for highsec
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#1670 - 2014-12-07 20:38:07 UTC
marly cortez wrote:
Utterly Pitiful idea.

3 BS at maxed skills....really???.

Expand the SMA to be able to carry half a fleets worth of BS and then maybe it's worth the effort of training skills and actually buying one for a Corp, other than that Gankers would have more fun holding a BS pilot to ransom and having him eject.

Corps once had a perfectly good ship transport, they were called 'Carriers', but someone decided these had to be nerfed to the point they became useless for that task so now there relegated to PoS repping and defense, Seems CCP's blind desperation has finally come to this, Spending weeks designing and specifying an utterly useless ship design, might as well dress it with a shoot here sign for all it's worth.

Work out how many capitals it would be able to carry at that volume.
The only way to carry large numbers of bs without breaking things is going away from a volume based metric and to a strict number limit of each class. Which reduces the versatility of the ship. As you also wouldn't. Be able to carry lots of smaller ships.
Though it does remove the issue of carrying other capitals.
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#1671 - 2014-12-07 21:30:49 UTC
Yume Ookami wrote:
marly cortez wrote:
Utterly Pitiful idea.

3 BS at maxed skills....really???.

Expand the SMA to be able to carry half a fleets worth of BS and then maybe it's worth the effort of training skills and actually buying one for a Corp, other than that Gankers would have more fun holding a BS pilot to ransom and having him eject.

Corps once had a perfectly good ship transport, they were called 'Carriers', but someone decided these had to be nerfed to the point they became useless for that task so now there relegated to PoS repping and defense, Seems CCP's blind desperation has finally come to this, Spending weeks designing and specifying an utterly useless ship design, might as well dress it with a shoot here sign for all it's worth.


hmm it would seem that we have a nullsec'er here that does not understand that this was intended for highsec

I will glady give odds there are more of them in nulsec than are ever seen in highsec.
It is perfectly suited to modern nulsec cruiser fleet logistics.

People are fixated on 3 battleships - Why when it is far better suited to hauling around a bunch of cruisers?
It seems the Bowhead is designed to sit 1 jump out from the fight for reshipping fleet members and get them back into the fight quickly.

For highsec incursion runners to use them, you will need at least a 3 or 4 man fleet to escort 3 battleships in a bowhead from 1 incursion to the next, or risk losing them to gankers. Send war to the bowhead pilots corp or alliance and the risk grows, requiring even more in fleet to move safely.
Sort of defeats the purpose of moving 4 ships together when you need that many pilots to safely move them.

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It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1672 - 2014-12-08 06:18:02 UTC
JP Dante wrote:
Damn, I was hoping it would at least be comparable in hp's to the Freighters, Its not even half the hp... this is just big juicy gank target.

Long story short: if we are talking highsec (and we probably are, considering your particular considerations with gankers and EHP), then this thing has about 430k EHP while still having ability to fit MWD and thus have 11 sec align time. This is way better than what freighters have.

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
FireFrenzy
Cynosural Samurai
#1673 - 2014-12-08 15:42:29 UTC
i have fiddled with some fits and with even minor shiny (if you consider the cost of the hull and the stuff it'll be moving...) you can get a travel fit up to 364k ehp against void, or 500k with heat...

If you actually rig for tank that goes up to more in the area of 800+k overheated against ganks Thats not to far south of where my triage carrier lives in EHP wise... And since i'll be webbing mine into warp with an ashimmu (why are those so cheap anyways??) i suspect it'll be fairly straight forward to move it through niarja or uedama...
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#1674 - 2014-12-09 04:32:23 UTC
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Yume Ookami
Cognitive Disonance
#1675 - 2014-12-09 04:57:08 UTC
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
Removed a spam post.


please remove more, i think there are a few pages worth
Flyinghotpocket
Small Focused Memes
Ragequit Cancel Sub
#1676 - 2014-12-09 05:02:16 UTC
Yume Ookami wrote:
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
Removed a spam post.


please remove more, i think there are a few pages worth

no kidding. the last 8 posts on this page are about HP or someshit of this ship that is completely irrelevant tbh.

what really matters is
A does it have a jump drive? nope
B how much is it going to cost?

so with no jump drive this thing will largely be a ship that belongs in your hanger for bragging rights.

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Arcomius
InterSpace Security
#1677 - 2014-12-09 11:35:08 UTC
Hello there,

EvE client patched.. new GUI is nice but.. no Bowhead Blueprint on any market What?
have you any ideas where can I found one of them ?Question

thank a lot
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1678 - 2014-12-09 12:06:09 UTC
Arcomius wrote:
Hello there,

EvE client patched.. new GUI is nice but.. no Bowhead Blueprint on any market What?
have you any ideas where can I found one of them ?Question

thank a lot


Same place you get the orca from.
Yume Ookami
Cognitive Disonance
#1679 - 2014-12-09 12:09:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Yume Ookami
baltec1 wrote:
Arcomius wrote:
Hello there,

EvE client patched.. new GUI is nice but.. no Bowhead Blueprint on any market What?
have you any ideas where can I found one of them ?Question

thank a lot


Same place you get the orca from.


im at a place to get an orca and i dont see any

aparently CCP missed some stations
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1680 - 2014-12-09 12:21:56 UTC
Citidel it seems.