EVE General Discussion

haha, yup, they will that.
a popular fit for that ship is dual rep. very good little ship (SAVE THE LANCE!).
I Was actually going to recommend that you pic up a batch of them (like 30 or 40 of them)and go **** with mission runners, you will learn a lot about traversal, drones boats , resistance and active v buffer if you just stab everything sitting still long enough with that lance (DON'T SNIP THE SHIP!).

There's a thread about with a particularly good fit in the op that generated some good discussion on the hull (which will be relivant to the commet).

I'll have a look and see if I can dig it out for you.

Edit: found it .

This cannot be emphasized enough.

Again... view each ship as a tool for a specific tactic/specialty... with the ship's fit either accentuating that tactic/specialty or covering its weaknesses.


You just faced a dual-rep Incursus. What it lacks in range control it makes up for in tankiness.


I plugged your fit in EVE Fitting Tool.

You rep nowhere near that amount of damage. With max skills you would average around ~350 hp/sec. Again... the Gila (which is a Pirate Faction Cruiser) deals anywhere from 600 to 800 damage per second.
So even with an average of ~72% resistances you would still be taking ~170 to 220 damage per second... which you would only be able to rep for 3 or 4 minutes until your capacitor power ran out.
Plus you appear to have been taking damage from Sleeper NPCs... which means that it was the Gila plus the Sleeper NPCs that pushed you over the edge and killed you.



Look... you seem to be just looking at things just from the surface. EVE isn't like most games. The "devil is in the details" and ignoring those details will result in you losing every time.

I suggest you go back to square one, join a newbie PvP group, and start learning things in frigates. Especially learn about proper PvP fitting because you seem to be having issues with basic tanking and fitting principles.

And for the love of god... stop buying battleships. You are clearly not ready for them.

Yes.

Each and every one of those situations sounds like a scenario in which you got into a fight for which your opponent had exactly the right ship and fit to beat you without breaking a sweat.

I agree with ISD LackOfFaith that getting to know and learning from other PvP players is a great way to go. One way to start meeting a lot of PvP focused players of various skill levels without committing to joining a corp sight unseen is to run in public PvP fleets, also referred to as Not Purple Shoot It (NPSI) fleets.

Here's a handy list of NPSI groups compiled recently by CSM member and RvB Ganked FC Mangala Solaris:

http://www.reddit.com/r/evenewbies/comments/2n8y74/npsi_pvp_you/

I strongly recommend flying with a few of them, talking to the people you meet, and listening to their thoughts about things big and small. Remember that not everyone with whom you fly in these fleets will be as knowledgeable as everyone else, but soon you can work out whose insights and understandings of game mechanics lead most directly to success.

As you get to know people in the NPSI community, opportunities to join a corp that focuses on solo or small-gang PvP should open up.

Fun fact that this thread inspired me to fimd out: at max skills, the longest warp disruption range on a Garmur is 54km.

Max scram range is 20.6 km.

At least, that's as high as I could get it.

True, i'll watch myself next time. unless I feel like trolling ;)

So to point out, in the case of your mega the Gila only did half the damage, the rest was done by the sleeper. You took 88,744 damage which looks on par with your fit.

Your Hype took damage from a sleeper, a tengu and a little from a caracal. This fit sports both an active and buffer tank and has a sizeable resist hole.

I've put a fair few hours into rookie chat, but yeh keep meaning to look in there. Eve-o BM is set to GD :lazy:

I'm not a member so no shill, but reddit is genuinely funny atm, and very definitely rookie friendly. I've only been looking for a few weeks, but after years of looking at Kugu/shitheap/en24/tmc blah blah it's really refreshing to see enthusiasm/gormlessness mixed with a bit of good natured ribbing.

Also to add something about the cheating suspicion, EVE does not sublet any calculations to your client so
unlike other games there is actually no posibility of cheats that change the actual mechanics of the fight.

That is no shooting around corners or fitting special weapons doing 10x the normal damage and such
these are simply not possible due to the mechanics of how client/server works.

What can be exploited is lag, and various ways to cause lag(for instance dropping enough cans around
a gate to cause lag is deemed an exploit) since this can cause you to be shot dead before your client
has loaded the grid you are landing on. Server sees you land on grid, someone allready on the grid sees
you land on the grid and can shoot you, but you yourself need a little time to actually load the grid
and that little window of time(1-2 seconds normally only extreme cases that it is more) is all it takes
for an insta-lock ship to lock and load.

I did not know there were boosters that affected that. Learn something new everyday

This one is a bit weird, considering this https://zkillboard.com/kill/42865927/ which shows him losing a cormorant to a Navy Comet.
However, I can say that in that build, he is fitted with a warp scram, which would have nullified your speed tank, and warp scrams (not disruptors) will shut off a micro warp.
Also, looking at your KM on your for your Comet, I see that a NPC did over 60% of the damage to you...
Based on your fit at the time, it is likely that you were barely tanking the NPC.
I would also say, it is possible the NPC had you webbed, allowing this person to more easily catch up to you.
You could have also been tracking disrupted by the NPC, but seeing as how i don't know what this particular NPC is capable of, I wouldn't be able to tell you that.. CCP would have to inform you on that.. Also, the KM doesn't show the name of the NPC.



2) Tornado can easily alpha an atron... I'm surprised you survived more than one volley.

3) Your Brutix, based on https://zkillboard.com/kill/28278726/ and https://zkillboard.com/kill/27450898/ is very poorly fit, especially for PVP.. this loss is not surprising.
Against a Talos, he likely would have alpha'd you down between rep cycles.

Also, adaptive nano plating modules will buff the resists of the specific types of damage you take, however, it is not instant.
They react and modify over time.
Therefore, at the time of attack, you likely didn't have much resists at all, making it much easier to burn you down.



Some have already said it, but a Garmur is a PWN boat.
Also, Catalysts are naturally flimsy ships.

As far as the 12km/s, it's not impossible, but difficult.. I don't know enough about this ship to be able to tell you.
That said, given the lock speed and warp disrupt/scram range, it's likely that he had you warp blocked before you even tried to warp off.


I, again, feel this one boils down to a lack of a well fitted PVP tank, though, with the plating, you were doing better.
https://zkillboard.com/kill/42861124/
I also believe this one boiled down to you barely sustaining against the NPC.
He just came in and took advantage of your weakened state..
Also, hounds to a ton of damage for as small as they are... They're basically designed for pure damage.
I also wouldn't be surprised to know he launched some sort of bomb at you before engaging.



https://zkillboard.com/kill/42845020/

With this fit you were all active and no buffer.
Likely wasn't a hard kill for him.
Also, there again is an issue with an NPC attacking you as well, that likely made breaking much easier and faster.

""""""""Also, my weapons seem to miss 9/10 of the shots on enemy players even though I'm within optimal range, I'm not track disrupted and I'm flying a frigate with blasters which have an extremely fast tracking speed. I miss NPCs very rarely(maybe 1/10 times)."""""""

It's much easier to hit NPCs as they won't perform any actions to affect your tracking(zig sags and orbitting), until they're actually in orbit range, and once they're in orbit, they shut off any propulsion they may have been running, which again makes them easier to track.