Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Lack of consequences???



First of all, if you're ganking in a Cat, you're likely going after miners. News flash. Ganking miners isn't something that is expected to pay out very much. Sometimes you get lucky and come across a dumb Hulk pilot who's taking a vacation from WoW and thinks that you can simply BUY your way to greatness in Eve the way you can in WoW. But let's be honest with ourselves here. Nobody really gives a **** about pilots like that because they're assured to find something to ***** about even if they DON'T get ganked, and eventually they'll just run back home to their cute, comfy little Disney adventure that is WoW. Why not do all of us a favor and...encourage...them to go back from whence they came a little bit sooner, and try to get a few shinies out of it to sell?

If you want to gank something that will yield more isk/isk value, then (another news flash) you have to put more isk into the ship that you will be ganking with. Killing a big ship quickly requires that you also fly a big ship and fit enough dps on it to get the kill before the concordoken, which costs a noticeably larger amount of isk than a "cheap catalyst". After than, even if the gank goes off without a hitch, there's still a chance that a lot of its loot will be destroyed with the hull. Not to mention that if you are ganking in a fleet, you have to split the loot up evenly between everyone who contributed. Otherwise, your buddies will have just sacrificed all the isk they put into their ships for absolutely nothing.

Secondly, "the security penalty is easily worked around with tags..."? Please refer back to image at the beginning of this post. If you think that flying around with -5 or lower sec status is EASY, then my friend, it seems obvious to me that you have never spent any significant amount of time flying around with a giant target painted on your back with "DIZ PLAYR IZ KOS!!! COM KIL NAO!!! Go pop and pod a few miners in a .5 system somewhere. Once you reach -5 sec, stop ganking and fly around trying to do what you normally do. Then come back here and tell us all how much you enjoy having -5.

At the very least, I think it will teach you to appreciate just exactly how much NPC assistance you DO have as a law abiding pilot with good sec. Tags are expensive to buy, and are difficult to acquire via ratting. If I remember correctly, there are 4 types of tags: bronze, silver, gold, and something above gold (platinum, maybe?). Their names are irrelevant. The point is that the bronze (most common/easiest to acquire/cheapest on the market) don't buff your sec all that much. They buff little slivers at a time. And even the bronze ones are not all that easy to acquire. I'm pretty sure these tags cannot be found on rats anywhere in hisec. It would be stupid if they did because it's kind of a pain in the ass to rat in hisec with the fuzz on your ass. And if your sec is low enough, the Faction Navys will track you down and attack you in lowsec as well. The only thing going for you is that their response times are much slower and you don't have to worry about CC coming to **** you. So you see, even getting sec tags can be quite a challenge.

My suggestion: Stop relying on the police to take care of everything for you. If you are an American citizen, or a citizen of a country that allows ownership of fire arms, you should appreciate the value of being offered the means to handle your own problems without having to rely on the government. You don't call the cops to escort your through a bad part of town. They'll laugh at you. Instead, you either avoid the bad part of town, or you use your head and keep your wits about you to learn how to travel through rough areas without making a target out of yourself. You carry a weapon with you in case things get hairy. You don't call the cops until either you know some s**t is about to go down or until some s**t is already goin down. You don't waste their time by saying "I'm scared of the big mean gankers, can you please come hold my hand?" I mean, eventually they WILL come hold your hand, but they'll probably say that you have to give up your weapons because they have to protect themselves as well and they want to be sure that you aren't some cop killer who's just trying to bait a few of them into a deadly trap. Hmm.... Epiphany?

Edit/disclaimer: I'm not an Obama supporter, nor am I in support of banning any weapons (including firearms) or restricting the 2nd Amendment in any way, shape or form. I love my right to own a weapon for purposes of self/home defense (because hunting weapons just won't always get the job done), and I fully support YOUR (plural your) right to do the same.

Do you want literally all income above Lv1 missions and Veldspar removed from highsec? Because bubble-wrapping things, adding safety and making it even harder to gank is how you get all income above Lv1s and Veldspar removed from highsec.

Ganking happens. CCP knows it and feels that ganking is an important part of keeping highsec balanced. If highsec itself is too much for you, then please end your suffering and go play a game that hasn't got ganking and bumping. I hear Hello Kitty Online is pretty desperate for people to come play it.

Gankers and such hardly use tags. They dock and use instant warps off station to either a gate and pop the first thing can or warp off, or the use an alt for a warp in.

They can also use one of the several loop holes that allow them to sit on a gate without being attacked by npc police.

Once clone fees go away you will see high sp with empire pirates....if you can call them pirates

Use your imagination. Please.

OP has an interesting point. Would be better than people hiding behind NPC corps. Unfortunately security status is kind of a broken system. PvP pilots in null who run anoms have a higher security status than people who fight to defend their faction from pirates.

A gank victim typically no longer has a ship to scram pods with. So what do clone fees have to do with anything?

This is exactly the point. it increases the cost of their gank to the point where:

- They wont do it because its too expensive and your not worth their while, they look for an easier target.
- They cant do it because its beyond their resources (not every ganking team has hundreds of players to call on and billions of cats to hand out.
- They raise the bar and pull out all the stops to gank you even when its not worth their while, at which point you should be asking yourself; what have you done to acquire such attention?



the answer to this is so simple you might be overthinking the problem...dont afk pod travel. There is not a ship and fit in the game that will catch an actively piloted pod at a gate. The server literally does not respond fast enough. This is in fact one way -10 pilots get around hi-sec despite being global targets.



He probably read about it in NPC corp chat. 'Social' corps FTW.

i dnt think the guy is even reading replies cause hes already been told about that once.

Because they're good players, and the people dying are bad ones.

Neg ten is inconvenient already, to a degree that thoroughly hampers player interaction. If anything it should be loosened so it's viable to fly around in things that aren't throwaway ships.

Then you can inflict consequences yourself. All these halfassed attempts to have the game do it for you have just led to furthering of extremes on the part of the pirate style players. That's why they minmax so much, because the restrictions are having an effect.

But don't cry when someone finds a way around them. That is intended. If there were no way around them, then it would be tantamount to just banning the pirate playstyle. At which point I'd tell you to go back to WoW, and call you a filthy carebear.

Nobody has because thousands are not being ganked.

7 Marauders were ganked last month in the Forge, by far the busiest mission region in EVE.

8 Battleships in the region that month.

13 freighters in the same region

4 jump Freighters


Not exactly thousands is it?

They specialise their ships for quick lock and high instant damage. You could do just the same. For example a sebo'd griffin will lock a dessie before a sebo'd dessie will lock up a pod, and another sebo'd thrasher will lock a dessie before a sebo'd dessie can lock a pod. What advantage?

But why are you using a griffin to protect afk pods anyways? just tell the pod pilots to not go afk...

Yeah, cause telling the afk pod pilots not to be stupid is ever going to work? That's like telling people not to put plex in a shuttle or to put ANY sort of mid slot tank on their badgers...

And have you tried this which you say is so easy or did you just EFT it and compare scan res? Even though you can get much higher scan res than they can, doesn't mean the game will let you lock as soon as they can lock. In 95% of cases the game slightly extends their warp invul timer so you can't target them immediately like you presume. In which case your window for locking and jamming before they lock are extremely small. Do me a favor and try this out for a while and let me know how it goes. I've spent a fair bit of time trying it and from my experience with a sebo'd griffin with sebo rigs, just cause the numbers say its possible doesn't mean the server will let you do it. So that advantage, the real advantage, not the EFT advantage. Unless you live in the data center with the server, then maybe you can do it more successfully than the rest of us.


I would look up the actual data on the ganking of ships for everywhere, aka not just Forge. Seeing how the main transit pipelines that see the most ganks are not in Forge... and 2 of the 3 SEO lvl 4 agents are not in Forge either. I don't have the time to check and count each one on the KB, but the first half dozen ganked freighters I looked at were catas, as well as the first half dozen marauders, catas/thrashers, and that was just going back a few days on zkill... So I'm sorry you can't understand a bit of sarcasm with slight exaggeration. But for sure there are many more times the number of ships getting ganked outside of Forge, and most of those are being ganked with dessies, not heavy hitting expensive ships.

So not exactly helping your point, so sorry for actually doing research on this... you may have responded, but you didn't deny you were wrong about only fail gankers use cheap ships...