EVE General Discussion

See...incursions were never intended as an iskfarm for isboxers though. And in place of 1 multiboxing player receiving content, 12 singleboxing players might receive said content. Objectively, that's a win for the eve community as a whole.

That actually sounds pretty reasonable, so perhaps there are one or two negative side effects. On the whole though, this is still a good change, I think.

Time to make a black screen setup with module buttons really close together. Won't even notice a difference.

No, effort is *not* a gamplay factor. It doesn't matter if it takes you 2 seconds to do something or 2 minutes. If you are not very good with computers or have a physical disablity, you might struggle to do something I can do without even thinking, but that isn't a gameplay mechanic. If your complaint about ISBoxer user is "they can do it with less effort expended" then you are whining, plain and simple. You were suggesting that that is why this change is there, to increase the effort of performing a task. I'm saying it's not. The reason it's there is to make hyper-efficient setups not be hyper-efficient, which it will not do. It's not hard to understand so I can only assume you are being deliberately obtuse.

And you seem to believe the action is being taken to sole a problem which does not exist. We know what the issue is, it's been talked about for moths, it's in the CSM minutes, it's on blog everywhere. Just because you've run around with your eyes closed doesn't mean the rest of us have.

I've looked at reality and used that for a basis for my position. To be honest mate I'm pretty much done repeating myself to someone with seemingly not idea what's going on. In January when everyone is back screaming at CCP about how the miners are still mining, and the bombers are still bombing, you'll realise that this change isn't being done for no reason beyond "for the sake of it" like you seem to be suggesting..

The prober and interdictor are irrelevant, since even with broadcasting they will be controlled separately. The only affect will be to bombers. Warping in and out will still be fleet warp, which means the only change is firing your bombs at the target which can be done round robin. If you read what the multiboxers that actually do this are saying, they don't feel they'll be impacted at all.

Several of us are still awaiting feedback on just that. In all likelihood they will be fine though, because from their end they won't be able to tell the difference between a round robin, set of gloabl keybinds or a normal multiboxer clicking quickly. Yet another reason why trying to fix terrible gameplay mechanics by arbitrarily banning a single method of play is a bad idea.

That said, you wouldn't like the better idea either. The better idea would be to fix the gameplay so things like incursions, mining and bombing took more attention and more individual interaction to play. If mining for example required your attention and didn't allow you to play nearly completely AFK, then multiboxers would find it harder to interact with all of their clients individually, making it less likely to occur. The same would be for incursions and chances are you wouldn't be able to do them solo.

mm I think this doesn't change anything for a lot of people. pretty sure it's limited to the egregious mining fleets.

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not sure what the discussion about incursions is about, but they're not hard to box. nightmares with tachy/multifreq and range scripts is just lock->F1 out to 100km. now... kiting is beyond the limits of boxing, but if you're into that kind of gang I don't think you're into boxing anyway.

Gosh this is such good news I almost posted with my main... almost.

Good job CCP!!!! The whole bot-infestation has become an issue. And it almost drove me an my 5 accounts out of game. Two of those characters I've owned since the beginning of New Eden.

No more 10 exhumer warp ins, mining a belt out before we even get started. Mining in high sec might even become a "thing" again. Who knows.... some of the old timers from my past associations might resub.

With the jump nerf, and now this, we might even see room for smaller entities in null-sec. Golly!

I like it. This might even fix tech II ship production, let alone tech 1 production. And the market for minerals? It might even become sane!

The much maligned (and yet skilled and competent) industrialists of EVE salute you!

My only question is this: If this is as successful as it can be, what will the Goons/Code find to do? My suggestion: Bake sale!

Most "bots" cannot coordinate 20 clients. ISOBoxer, in that regard, is far worse than your random bot user shuttling their ore to station.

But I consider ISOboxer part of the greater bot-infestation. It's more profitable than running a bot. It's slaving an entire corp of characters, with all the game interaction of one single click.

That's a bot in my book.

Actually, following this change I've resubbed my ISBoxer account and will be using perfectly EULA abiding methods to mine out entire belts with a fleet of miners. You can kid yourself into thinking everything will change, but it really won't.

As a veteran industrialist, I'll point out that if you were honestly damaged by ISBoxer players co-existing, then you are neither skilled nor competent.

Why do you think goons or code will be affected? Goons make most of their isk through renting and moon goo, code are gankers, most of whom do not multibox gank.

Well whether or not you consider ISBoxer to be botting is irrelevant. It's not, so get over it. ISBoxer itself and most of it's functions will still continue to be used after January, as only a single function - not even the most important function - is being banned. I honestly can't wait for people like you to realise how little impact this will have on multibox highsec mining.

I accept your unconditional surrender.