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Call for a smartbomb dalay upon uncloaking - unbalanced gameplay

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Raven Hyperbollic
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
OnlyFleets.
#1 - 2014-12-04 21:47:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Raven Hyperbollic
I've been around long enough to see unbalanced fads and phases of ship of the month/year to know ccp nerfs the ships/modules way to late in the day sometimes a year later or more (example Dramiels)

This times flavour of the month is the smartbombing T3 or BS/BO its very hard to know when travelling if they are on a gate or not until they see the whites of your eyes and boom your dead. There is no session delay so all they have to do is be in the right position cloaked, uncloak and activate the bombs. Most of these guys are warp core stab fit and dont stick around long after the bombing and go for a reset.

I normally am the 'adapt or die' kinda guy in eve. It usually amounts to some very interesting ways to counter the problem. I myself can think of a few counters to this problem but the issue is this, they do not have any activation penalty upon uncloak and this is the imbalance. Either the smartbombs need an activation delay unpon uncloak or the warp core stabs they use need to bring about smartbomb delays for balance to be restored. (giving folks a 'fair' chance to attack/avoid the perpetrator)

Where I am living the smartbombing is becoming an epidemic of which the average player will have no clue how to counter it. I would spill the beans how I would counter it atm but it would spoil the fun for when I kill one.

I can see a mile away this 'feature' was never intended by CCP and if it becomes more of an issue CCP will fix it... Eventually so i'm giving the forums the full I told you so already.

I also know some people won't agree with me... like I said the adapt or die is very appealing to me but this time it causes in my opinion more problems for smaller ships to travel eve than is good for the game currently. I am indeed interested what the community thinks about this as well - good or bad.


- Prowlers Corp are recruiting PVP'ers - apparently their CEO hates smartbombs and has bombophobia
Mag's
Azn Empire
#2 - 2014-12-04 21:55:44 UTC
Smartbombing on gates, hmmm this could be a thing.

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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3 - 2014-12-04 21:56:29 UTC

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Raven Hyperbollic
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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#4 - 2014-12-04 21:58:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Raven Hyperbollic
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your probably right, I just wanted the section with the most footfall Big smile

- Prowlers Corp are recruiting PVP'ers - apparently their CEO hates smartbombs and has bombophobia
Mag's
Azn Empire
#5 - 2014-12-04 21:58:45 UTC
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Posting in the correct forum is always overrated tbh.

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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#6 - 2014-12-04 22:04:03 UTC
✓ Did not scout gate
✓ Did not use D-Scan
✓ Paid no attention to local
✓ Flying through unfamiliar territory
✓ Come to GD to demand a valid tactic be removed so OP doesn't have to do anything


I rule this one "your own damn fault"

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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#7 - 2014-12-04 22:06:00 UTC
Last time I checked, there was a smartbomb delay on decloaking.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#8 - 2014-12-04 22:10:00 UTC
Shall we tell OP about R&K?
Lister Dax
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2014-12-04 22:11:30 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Shall we tell OP about R&K?

Nah why spoil his fun.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#10 - 2014-12-04 22:12:52 UTC
I agree! This recent trend of smartbombing on gates is out of control!

If by 'recent', you mean always been there, and by 'out of control' you mean Op got blowed up and is a little tender in the posterior.. then yes.

Also, Mining and missioning is an epidemic in highsec. CCP should do something about that too.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Raven Hyperbollic
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
OnlyFleets.
#11 - 2014-12-04 22:15:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Raven Hyperbollic
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
✓ Did not scout gate
✓ Did not use D-Scan
✓ Paid no attention to local
✓ Flying through unfamiliar territory
✓ Come to GD to demand a valid tactic be removed so OP doesn't have to do anything


I rule this one "your own damn fault"


Erm you can avoid all those incorrect things you suggested and still get bombed.

Warp to a few hundred k perch from the gate have full eyeballs on the area, still not see them warp/land on the gate then they uncloak and blow you up without any delay. if you warp to the gate in a odd direction the chances of getting bombed are much lesser I agree.

The issue is if they can attack from uncloak right way (what other module does this?) AND be stabbed to hell so you need prob at least 4 points + to hold them what serious risk is there to the perps? unless there's a well laid trap waiting for them. I may sound like I am demanding a correction but seriously its just my thoughts on the matter and its just my opinion.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2014-12-04 22:16:08 UTC
Did you meet Santo Trafficante or are you just mad?

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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#13 - 2014-12-04 22:16:56 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
✓ Did not scout gate
✓ Did not use D-Scan
✓ Paid no attention to local
✓ Flying through unfamiliar territory
✓ Come to GD to demand a valid tactic be removed so OP doesn't have to do anything


I rule this one "your own damn fault"



because dscan or a scout sees cloaked ships?
flying in unfamiliar territory, like familiar territory cant have a fleet come in and sit on a gate?
because someone was in local? you must be one of those theres a afk guy cloaked in local dont undock ever

although ill give you the last one on coming to GD, he should be glade it wasnt a titan that just sits on the gate and smartbombs everything in about 20kms

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David Therman
#14 - 2014-12-04 22:23:45 UTC
My method of checking for smart-bomb camps in low, and so far it hasn't let me (a high-sec dweller) down as yet;

- Check ship kills/pod kills in the last hour on the map,
- If the ship destroyed/pod destroyed is greater then 5:4, I assume there's a smart-bomb camp, and find another way around.

If there's still a semblance of doubt (say, 2 ships + pods destroyed in the last hour) then look up the kill reports for that system.

Simple.

P.S I am aware that you can get caught just as a camp forms up (say, if you're in mid-warp), but that's just plain bad luck.
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#15 - 2014-12-04 22:28:02 UTC
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Paranoid Loyd
#16 - 2014-12-04 22:37:30 UTC
Flying into a smartbomb camp is no different than flying into a bubble camp. The balance comes from proper scouting.

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Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-12-04 22:42:06 UTC
I like how non-targetable weapons can be used easily with a lot of warp core stabs. I think smartbombs and F.o.F. missiles are fine in this regard, but drone auto-targeting should be nerfed at least for people using warp core stabilizers.

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Hicksimus
Torgue
#18 - 2014-12-04 23:12:59 UTC
Raven Hyperbollic wrote:
I used to snipe bubbled people using cloaky artillery/sebo battleships with Hicksimus and now I'm mad that somebody has an even better plan.


Smartbombs and cloaking do need an adjustment though, it's extremely risk averse behavior and extremely effective. Nothing should be that way in EvE.

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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#19 - 2014-12-04 23:24:52 UTC
Agondray wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
✓ Did not scout gate
✓ Did not use D-Scan
✓ Paid no attention to local
✓ Flying through unfamiliar territory
✓ Come to GD to demand a valid tactic be removed so OP doesn't have to do anything


I rule this one "your own damn fault"



because dscan or a scout sees cloaked ships?
flying in unfamiliar territory, like familiar territory cant have a fleet come in and sit on a gate?
because someone was in local? you must be one of those theres a afk guy cloaked in local dont undock ever

although ill give you the last one on coming to GD, he should be glade it wasnt a titan that just sits on the gate and smartbombs everything in about 20kms


DScan can confirm that all those people in local aren't in space. If no stations, prepare for ambush. If stations, dock up to confirm they're not there, then prepare for ambush

Scouts are always a good idea. If the scout gets pipebombed, then you know there's a pipebomb camp. Problem solved.

I don't undock? LOL, that's funny. I guess nobody checks Battleclinic before calling someone's PvP habits into question, anymore.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#20 - 2014-12-04 23:29:13 UTC
Raven Hyperbollic wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
✓ Did not scout gate
✓ Did not use D-Scan
✓ Paid no attention to local
✓ Flying through unfamiliar territory
✓ Come to GD to demand a valid tactic be removed so OP doesn't have to do anything


I rule this one "your own damn fault"


Erm you can avoid all those incorrect things you suggested and still get bombed.

Warp to a few hundred k perch from the gate have full eyeballs on the area, still not see them warp/land on the gate then they uncloak and blow you up without any delay. if you warp to the gate in a odd direction the chances of getting bombed are much lesser I agree.

The issue is if they can attack from uncloak right way (what other module does this?) AND be stabbed to hell so you need prob at least 4 points + to hold them what serious risk is there to the perps? unless there's a well laid trap waiting for them. I may sound like I am demanding a correction but seriously its just my thoughts on the matter and its just my opinion.



The first thing any failsmith on the forums says when he gets called out for not having situational awareness is talk about "false assumptions".
I don't believe you. Scout, next time. Don't demand nerfs.... it's bad for the game.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
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